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Six out of 11 guilty, is not perfect, but I feel sure there will be many more.
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/// Some of the men used the services of Urdu, Hindi, Pashto and Punjabi interpreters, ///
Don't it make one feel proud that we all integrate so well?
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Don't it make one feel proud that we all integrate so well?
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sp1814
/// I agree with the the others who have questioned your used of the term 'is not perfect', because it suggests that a perfect result would be the conviction of all 11 tried. ///
Then perhaps it is a Leftie interpreter that I need then, just so I don't fall foul of their own interpretations of what I actually said, you understand?
Oh and not to upset the likes of THECORBYLOON who is a stickler for correct English, shouldn't that have been?
/// a perfect result would have been the conviction of all the 11 tried. ///
/// I agree with the the others who have questioned your used of the term 'is not perfect', because it suggests that a perfect result would be the conviction of all 11 tried. ///
Then perhaps it is a Leftie interpreter that I need then, just so I don't fall foul of their own interpretations of what I actually said, you understand?
Oh and not to upset the likes of THECORBYLOON who is a stickler for correct English, shouldn't that have been?
/// a perfect result would have been the conviction of all the 11 tried. ///
Wow aren't all the apologists out today.
No use going on with this thread any longer because some would rather blame the poster, blame Thatcher, blame the vicars, blame the priests, blame the whites, blame the poster's English usage, blame the Police Officers, blame the Teachers, blame the English, blame the Welsh, blame the Irish, blame the Scottish, blame the Turkish, blame the Cypriots, even blame Uncle Tom Cobley yet at the same time failed to mention Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke.
But then couldn't it be perhaps that those last six also happened to be Asian, yes almost everyone is open for blame except the real perpetrators in this case, which seems strange when the news item is about these Asian child abductors, even if it is not politically correct to actually point this fact out it would seem.
No use going on with this thread any longer because some would rather blame the poster, blame Thatcher, blame the vicars, blame the priests, blame the whites, blame the poster's English usage, blame the Police Officers, blame the Teachers, blame the English, blame the Welsh, blame the Irish, blame the Scottish, blame the Turkish, blame the Cypriots, even blame Uncle Tom Cobley yet at the same time failed to mention Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke.
But then couldn't it be perhaps that those last six also happened to be Asian, yes almost everyone is open for blame except the real perpetrators in this case, which seems strange when the news item is about these Asian child abductors, even if it is not politically correct to actually point this fact out it would seem.
AOG
Are you calling us apologists for child rapists?
Seriously, that's very insulting.
Unless I've misinterpreted your point that is.
Perhaps it's best if you did leave this thread, because you seem to have painted yourself into a corner from which there is no escape.
Here's my best guess as to what happened.
You posted a question which at the time you thought was reasonable. You thought that all eleven men should have been found guilty, and that to you would have been the perfect result.
When challenged on this, you realised your petticoats were showing, and responded with a God-awful explanation (c'mob, you have to agree - it really sucked).
However, leaving all that aside, there's a good question in your OP which has now been lost...
Are you calling us apologists for child rapists?
Seriously, that's very insulting.
Unless I've misinterpreted your point that is.
Perhaps it's best if you did leave this thread, because you seem to have painted yourself into a corner from which there is no escape.
Here's my best guess as to what happened.
You posted a question which at the time you thought was reasonable. You thought that all eleven men should have been found guilty, and that to you would have been the perfect result.
When challenged on this, you realised your petticoats were showing, and responded with a God-awful explanation (c'mob, you have to agree - it really sucked).
However, leaving all that aside, there's a good question in your OP which has now been lost...
Presuming these Aylesbury monstrous abusers are in custody awaiting sentencing in September let's hope someone loses the key.
What is the connection between Oxford and Aylesbury and Peterborough and Oldham and Rochdale and Rotherham and Derby and Telford and Keighley and Ipswich?
Here is a big clue: https:/
What is the connection between Oxford and Aylesbury and Peterborough and Oldham and Rochdale and Rotherham and Derby and Telford and Keighley and Ipswich?
Here is a big clue: https:/
"yet another attempt to tar all Asians with the same brush.".
If I were Chinese or Japanese I would be offended by the description "Asian" seeing that no grooming gangs put on trial so far have consisted mainly of either of those particular "Asian" groups. Not of course that anybody is bothered about offending the Chinese or Japanese, ask Gromit. The word as used by politicians and the media in this context is a cowardly evasion. EVERYBODY knows that its real meaning is "mostly Pakistani, mostly Muslim".
That aside the Mikey comment misses (I assume unintentionally) the obvious point: not that ALL Pakistani Muslims are rapists, but that a disproportionately high percentage of them are. A point acknowledged in a different context by the academic Bernard Lewis (himself rather well-disposed to Islam as a faith). In his book "The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror" he wrote (I'm quoting from memory): "Most fundamentalists are not terrorists, most Muslims are not fundamentalists, but most terrorists are Muslim.". In sexual grooming cases as in acts of terror the "Muslim community" punches well above its weight. And what is true here is equally true of Norway and Sweden.
Would anybody care to challenge the last two statements?
If I were Chinese or Japanese I would be offended by the description "Asian" seeing that no grooming gangs put on trial so far have consisted mainly of either of those particular "Asian" groups. Not of course that anybody is bothered about offending the Chinese or Japanese, ask Gromit. The word as used by politicians and the media in this context is a cowardly evasion. EVERYBODY knows that its real meaning is "mostly Pakistani, mostly Muslim".
That aside the Mikey comment misses (I assume unintentionally) the obvious point: not that ALL Pakistani Muslims are rapists, but that a disproportionately high percentage of them are. A point acknowledged in a different context by the academic Bernard Lewis (himself rather well-disposed to Islam as a faith). In his book "The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror" he wrote (I'm quoting from memory): "Most fundamentalists are not terrorists, most Muslims are not fundamentalists, but most terrorists are Muslim.". In sexual grooming cases as in acts of terror the "Muslim community" punches well above its weight. And what is true here is equally true of Norway and Sweden.
Would anybody care to challenge the last two statements?
sir.prize
The connection is that
a) the men found guilty are all from Asian backgrounds (I think specifically Pakistani backgrounds)
b) The targeted vulnerable girls, many of which were in social care due to difficult family backgrounds.
c) Because of point b) the cases went undetected/investigated because there was an assumption that these girls' accounts were not credible.
d) Lessons will be learned.
e) More cases will come to light, proving d) is wrong.
The connection is that
a) the men found guilty are all from Asian backgrounds (I think specifically Pakistani backgrounds)
b) The targeted vulnerable girls, many of which were in social care due to difficult family backgrounds.
c) Because of point b) the cases went undetected/investigated because there was an assumption that these girls' accounts were not credible.
d) Lessons will be learned.
e) More cases will come to light, proving d) is wrong.
vetuste_ennemi
I almost agree with you, but would expand on your point. If we are going to be specific, we should refer to Pakistani Asian men, rather than Asians.
I am no expert, but I think referring to these men as Pakistani Muslims is a redundant, because nearly ALL Pakistanis are Muslim (96.3%).
Therefore describing them as Muslim doesn't add anything to the story.
If, however, the men were from many different parts of Asian, but were all Muslim, the descriptive adjective definitely should be used.
But as these cases keep featuring men from Pakistan, I think *that* should be the key descriptor.
I almost agree with you, but would expand on your point. If we are going to be specific, we should refer to Pakistani Asian men, rather than Asians.
I am no expert, but I think referring to these men as Pakistani Muslims is a redundant, because nearly ALL Pakistanis are Muslim (96.3%).
Therefore describing them as Muslim doesn't add anything to the story.
If, however, the men were from many different parts of Asian, but were all Muslim, the descriptive adjective definitely should be used.
But as these cases keep featuring men from Pakistan, I think *that* should be the key descriptor.
sir.prise
I've only just realised the pun in your login name!
I should cut down on my meds.
Back to your question...I believe that there has been reports about local authorities side-stepping on this issue in order in order not to inflame Asian (yeah, I know) communities.
I don't know whether that is true or not, but my gut instinct tells me that the bigger problem is that no-one really cared about these girls.
In every report I've read, the girls in question were in care. They were already 'abandoned' by the state...if it transpires that anyone was turning a blind eye, then they should be dealt with in the courts.
But that will not happen.
I've only just realised the pun in your login name!
I should cut down on my meds.
Back to your question...I believe that there has been reports about local authorities side-stepping on this issue in order in order not to inflame Asian (yeah, I know) communities.
I don't know whether that is true or not, but my gut instinct tells me that the bigger problem is that no-one really cared about these girls.
In every report I've read, the girls in question were in care. They were already 'abandoned' by the state...if it transpires that anyone was turning a blind eye, then they should be dealt with in the courts.
But that will not happen.
sir.prize
You need to be really careful about your source.
That Muslim rape wave is Oslo is not true.
Marianne Saetre and Veslemøy Grytdal wrote a document called “Voldtekt i den globale byen”.
In it they state:
The majority of registered perpetrators in cases of reported rape in Oslo in 2010 have Norwegian citizenship, as has been the case in every previous rape study. In 2010 this went for 61.2% of the perpetrators, which is relatively stable compared to the material from 2007 (60.3%). A relatively high proportion, 12.5%, of the registered perpetrators are from other parts of Europe, and taken together almost three quarters of the perpetrators in 2010 have European citizenship. For the rest, 10.5% are from Africa, 9.2% from the Middle East, 4.6% from Asia and 2% from America.
According to the Oslo Police study, persons of Norwegian background were the largest group among the identified rapists and persons of “European” background comprised more than half. The 152 rapes in 2010 were carried out by 131 suspects. The study states on pages 53-54:
The proportion of perpetrators (unique persons) of Norwegian national background is the group whose representation increases the most, comprising 38.2% of perpetrators. Together this brings the proportion of perpetrators with a European continental background to a total of 51.9%.
So it has to be asked, where did the 100% figure come from?
You need to be really careful about your source.
That Muslim rape wave is Oslo is not true.
Marianne Saetre and Veslemøy Grytdal wrote a document called “Voldtekt i den globale byen”.
In it they state:
The majority of registered perpetrators in cases of reported rape in Oslo in 2010 have Norwegian citizenship, as has been the case in every previous rape study. In 2010 this went for 61.2% of the perpetrators, which is relatively stable compared to the material from 2007 (60.3%). A relatively high proportion, 12.5%, of the registered perpetrators are from other parts of Europe, and taken together almost three quarters of the perpetrators in 2010 have European citizenship. For the rest, 10.5% are from Africa, 9.2% from the Middle East, 4.6% from Asia and 2% from America.
According to the Oslo Police study, persons of Norwegian background were the largest group among the identified rapists and persons of “European” background comprised more than half. The 152 rapes in 2010 were carried out by 131 suspects. The study states on pages 53-54:
The proportion of perpetrators (unique persons) of Norwegian national background is the group whose representation increases the most, comprising 38.2% of perpetrators. Together this brings the proportion of perpetrators with a European continental background to a total of 51.9%.
So it has to be asked, where did the 100% figure come from?
sp1814 - note: I reported it, I didn't write it.
This produces an interesting page:
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This produces an interesting page:
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sir.prize
I know...I've definitely been in the same boat as you. It's easy to believe something if it's been repeated enough.
Wherever possible now, I go to the source of the story.
Not sure why I need to read any more about rape and non-Westerners. I myself am from an immigrant family from the West Indies, and I haven't raped anyone today.
Although saying that, there's still four and half hours to go today, so statistically speaking...
I know...I've definitely been in the same boat as you. It's easy to believe something if it's been repeated enough.
Wherever possible now, I go to the source of the story.
Not sure why I need to read any more about rape and non-Westerners. I myself am from an immigrant family from the West Indies, and I haven't raped anyone today.
Although saying that, there's still four and half hours to go today, so statistically speaking...
Muslims are encouraged to rape all infidel women, even married women. Beware, none are safe!
".....Fatwa Permits Mujahideen to Kidnap, Imprison, and Have Sexual Intercourse with Infidel Women
On October 28, 2011, the jihadi forum Minbar Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad published a fatwa by Sheikh Abu Humam Al-Athari, a member of its shari'a council, in which he unequivocally permits mujahideen to capture the infidels' women and have sexual intercourse with them, even those who are married, on the claim that their marriage bonds to infidels are dissolved as soon as they are taken captive.
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".....Fatwa Permits Mujahideen to Kidnap, Imprison, and Have Sexual Intercourse with Infidel Women
On October 28, 2011, the jihadi forum Minbar Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad published a fatwa by Sheikh Abu Humam Al-Athari, a member of its shari'a council, in which he unequivocally permits mujahideen to capture the infidels' women and have sexual intercourse with them, even those who are married, on the claim that their marriage bonds to infidels are dissolved as soon as they are taken captive.
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