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And this is a fit man to run the Labour Party?
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Go there, talk to the people, see what they want, see who they want to be..... that above all else is what matters. The Islands belong to the Islanders, they chose what they want to be. We defend their right to have that choice the same as any other British Overseas Territory. Corbyn is a comedy politician like many of the loony lefties ... shows what an an...
10:41 Sun 30th Aug 2015
Some polls were showing though that he would get 50% plus: easily.
However the 'real world' he is going to meet should he win is the PLP. An arch rebellion is unlikely to be shown any mercy by the colleagues he has consistently voted against, especially if their seats are in jeopardy.
One vote of confidence in the leadership and he'll ne gone faster than the Belgrano
However the 'real world' he is going to meet should he win is the PLP. An arch rebellion is unlikely to be shown any mercy by the colleagues he has consistently voted against, especially if their seats are in jeopardy.
One vote of confidence in the leadership and he'll ne gone faster than the Belgrano
Alice in wonderland politics.
Says teflon Tone.
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I think it's fair that the party's members should choose their leader. But the problem here is that new rules, however well intentioned, mean that effectively anyone can vote. And while it may be wonderfully democratic, it is totally unworkable. Lots of well meaning people, whose commitment to labour is however questionable, are paying a pittance to send someone wholly unsuitable to the leadership. It's like having the ability to vote for your favourite jogger to take part in the Olympic marathon
Just to put a bit more meat on the bones regarding NJ's post on the 2013 referendum:-
Falkland Islands sovereignty referendum, 2013
"Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?"
Results
Votes Of total
Yes 1,513 99.8%
No 3 0.2%
Valid votes 1,516 99.93%
Invalid or blank votes 1 0.07%
Total votes 1,517 100.00%
Voter turnout 91.94%
Electorate 1,650
Now, Mr Corbyn, care to reflect on that?
Falkland Islands sovereignty referendum, 2013
"Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?"
Results
Votes Of total
Yes 1,513 99.8%
No 3 0.2%
Valid votes 1,516 99.93%
Invalid or blank votes 1 0.07%
Total votes 1,517 100.00%
Voter turnout 91.94%
Electorate 1,650
Now, Mr Corbyn, care to reflect on that?
“Just a shame that NJ had to come along and spoil it with his brainwashing crap…”
I can only say this, jim (and sorry to have “spoiled” the responses). I come into contact with quite a large number of youngsters (still in education) in the course of my work. Probably not as many as you, but quite a number nonetheless and from a wide range of backgrounds. When the topic of recent UK history raises its head almost all of them tell me that they have been told that Mrs Thatcher, among many other blunders from which the UK still suffers, “caused the war in the Falkland Islands” by her negligence and intransigence (they do not use those terms, but the implication is clear). When quizzed they have little or no idea how the dispute came about and little or no idea why it was dealt with in the way it was. Perhaps “brainwashing” is a bit harsh a term but it is quite clear to me that they are being misled and fed incorrect information about that matter (and indeed many others) which occurred during Mts T’s tenure. I don’t know whether they are taught about it in history lessons (in fact, I’m not sure what they are taught in history lessons as their grasp of history, both recent and older, seems somewhat lacking to say the least). But taught about it they are.
Ask around a bit, rather than depend of what you believe the youngsters are taught, and you may be surprised.
“…all colonialists must be forcibly returned to their native countries”
Are you suggesting then, helen, that the people of the Falkland Islands should be forcibly “repatriated” to the UK – a place where probably they or none of their ancestors going back many generations have lived?
“...Portugal,Spain,Italy and Nazi Germany must be forced to take back all these colonialists.”
So who is going to run South America when all these “colonists” have been repatriated?
“But the problem here is that new rules, however well intentioned, mean that effectively anyone can vote. And while it may be wonderfully democratic, it is totally unworkable.”
Well that’s their fault. Nobody forced them to sell votes for three quid.
“ Lots of well meaning people, whose commitment to labour is however questionable, are paying a pittance to send someone wholly unsuitable to the leadership”
Who says he’s unsuitable? The idea of extending the vote was to select a candidate that everybody wanted, surely?
I can only say this, jim (and sorry to have “spoiled” the responses). I come into contact with quite a large number of youngsters (still in education) in the course of my work. Probably not as many as you, but quite a number nonetheless and from a wide range of backgrounds. When the topic of recent UK history raises its head almost all of them tell me that they have been told that Mrs Thatcher, among many other blunders from which the UK still suffers, “caused the war in the Falkland Islands” by her negligence and intransigence (they do not use those terms, but the implication is clear). When quizzed they have little or no idea how the dispute came about and little or no idea why it was dealt with in the way it was. Perhaps “brainwashing” is a bit harsh a term but it is quite clear to me that they are being misled and fed incorrect information about that matter (and indeed many others) which occurred during Mts T’s tenure. I don’t know whether they are taught about it in history lessons (in fact, I’m not sure what they are taught in history lessons as their grasp of history, both recent and older, seems somewhat lacking to say the least). But taught about it they are.
Ask around a bit, rather than depend of what you believe the youngsters are taught, and you may be surprised.
“…all colonialists must be forcibly returned to their native countries”
Are you suggesting then, helen, that the people of the Falkland Islands should be forcibly “repatriated” to the UK – a place where probably they or none of their ancestors going back many generations have lived?
“...Portugal,Spain,Italy and Nazi Germany must be forced to take back all these colonialists.”
So who is going to run South America when all these “colonists” have been repatriated?
“But the problem here is that new rules, however well intentioned, mean that effectively anyone can vote. And while it may be wonderfully democratic, it is totally unworkable.”
Well that’s their fault. Nobody forced them to sell votes for three quid.
“ Lots of well meaning people, whose commitment to labour is however questionable, are paying a pittance to send someone wholly unsuitable to the leadership”
Who says he’s unsuitable? The idea of extending the vote was to select a candidate that everybody wanted, surely?
In general NJ I enjoy reading your posts, and I expect that's going to be the case for a long time to come -- whether or not I agree they are always worth a read I think.
"I don’t know whether they are taught about [the Falklands War] in history lessons ..."
My own experience might not be representative but what I learned in my three years of history at school tended to stop at WWII. The rest of my history I learned at home, and from my parents. My suspicion is that for most children it's very similar, so that if they do spout off against Thatcher et al then it's because their parents/ family did rather than school teachers.
As a more general point, what irritated me about your post in particular was the "brainwashing" bit that just seems to get thrown around so much by those members of AB from the right of politics, who seem often to have a mentality that anyone who is left-wing, or who expresses left-wing views at least once, has been brainwashed. And once that accusation has been made it's very hard to refute it because, after all, brainwashed people don't know that they are brainwashed. So I seriously hate the word whenever it gets used here, at least.
It would be nice, anyway, if people could do others who hold opposing views the credit of assuming that those views are held honestly. Makes for a more interesting debate, I find. I mean, why engage with someone who is obviously brainwashed? Or, for that matter, under 30 and who therefore knows nothing (if Peter Hitchins is to be believed).
As far as I can tell, a lot of people far more to the left than I am hold their views very honestly indeed. It's just that they are wrong. On the other hand, it seems to be a better situation when young people are engaged with politics, rather than not.
"I don’t know whether they are taught about [the Falklands War] in history lessons ..."
My own experience might not be representative but what I learned in my three years of history at school tended to stop at WWII. The rest of my history I learned at home, and from my parents. My suspicion is that for most children it's very similar, so that if they do spout off against Thatcher et al then it's because their parents/ family did rather than school teachers.
As a more general point, what irritated me about your post in particular was the "brainwashing" bit that just seems to get thrown around so much by those members of AB from the right of politics, who seem often to have a mentality that anyone who is left-wing, or who expresses left-wing views at least once, has been brainwashed. And once that accusation has been made it's very hard to refute it because, after all, brainwashed people don't know that they are brainwashed. So I seriously hate the word whenever it gets used here, at least.
It would be nice, anyway, if people could do others who hold opposing views the credit of assuming that those views are held honestly. Makes for a more interesting debate, I find. I mean, why engage with someone who is obviously brainwashed? Or, for that matter, under 30 and who therefore knows nothing (if Peter Hitchins is to be believed).
As far as I can tell, a lot of people far more to the left than I am hold their views very honestly indeed. It's just that they are wrong. On the other hand, it seems to be a better situation when young people are engaged with politics, rather than not.
they may be honestly held jim but they are wrong and arrived at by means other than personal research. hence we have 18 year old spouting bile about TGL herself, why, because they are taught to, whatever term you want to use, teachers hate MrsT and impose their own views on the children. She showed how their ideology was flawed and the left never forgive anyone for not bowing to their mantra. Hence the systematic demonisation of our greatest peace time leader continues a generation after she last held power. Morons like talbot and farrier hate her because they are taught to, they haven't worked it out for themsleves.
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