Cowards, Rather A Strong Word, But Fully Deserved In This Case.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6625967/Labour-leadership-rivals-wont-back-raids-on-IS.html

[chaptazbru2]

I am a Labour supporter, but I agree with this.

[andy-hughes]

"Ex-Afghanistan commander Colonel Richard Kemp said: “It is moral cowardice on behalf of the Labour leadership candidates to dodge the bullet on this.”

Spoken like a true soldier - who'se career raison d'etre has been to fight and kill people perceived as enemies, even if the end product of such killing fails to achieve even a trumped-up objective.

Maybe the Labour contenders no longer have the stomach for indiscriminate bombing in other countries - given their record on the results in the very recent past - and maybe that is no bad thing.

If Mr Cameron thinks that bombing IS is going to solve the migrant crises, then he is even more deluded and corrupt that Tony Blair - difficult, but not impossible.

How long before IS retaliate with bombs on UK civilians - or does Mr Cameron think they will let a few bombs drop, and then see the error of their ways?

[naomi24]

//Spoken like a true soldier - who'se career raison d'etre has been to fight and kill people perceived as enemies//

Members of IS aren't 'perceived' as enemies - they are enemies.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - "Members of IS aren't 'perceived' as enemies - they are enemies."

Indeed - no argument - but what about the civilians who will die as well?

Unless they have invented really really clever bombs that only kill terrorists, and ignore women and children?

[retrocop]

With who's air force are these bombs going to be dropped on UK civilians?

[mikey4444]

It seems to me that the Labour contestants are just following line that the House of Commons took last time they debated military action in Syria, something a lot of the right-wing here on AB agreed with, if I recall correctly.

As it happens, I don't agree...I think we should have used force 2 years ago, and that we should use it now. You cannot debate and reason with ISIS.

[retrocop]

//but what about the civilians who will die as well? //
Err.. That is what IS are doing!! That is why they have to be stopped by force.
The Germans were not defeated by the allies without civilian casualties due to bombing.!

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //what about the civilians who will die as well? //

What about the civilians who are dying every day at the hands of IS?

[Svejk]

Don't blame them for waiting to see the details. 2 years ago Cameron wanted to deploy the RAF in support of IS. Thank goodness Labour, all be it for the wrong reasons, foiled that attempt. (Now we all know the kind of people we were proposing to help)
The way Osborne was talking yesterday, they want to bomb IS and Assad. I swear, as far as I can see, they haven't got a clue what they're about.
If we stopped funding and training the rebels in Syria it might bring peace a bit nearer.(imo)

[retrocop]

//Spoken like a true soldier - who'se career raison d'etre has been to fight and kill people perceived as enemies, even if the end product of such killing fails to achieve even a trumped-up objective.//
That is a disgusting filthy slur on the integrity of the men and women of our armed forces. You should be ashamed of yourself,
You think Baldric joined the colours because he is a psychopathic killer at heart and all the others who let you sleep at night.? Your comment should be removed!!

[Sqad]

I agree with the 4 Labour aspirants.

We bombed Iraq and it is now a shambles.
We bombed Libya and they are now worse off.
We bombed Afghanistan and apart for the death of civilians and Allied Forces, we are back to square one.

Bombing is expensive and the results unpredictable.

I do not have an answer to ISIS, but bombing them certainly wont work.

[Bazile]

How are 'they' going to bomb ISIS - are ISIS parked up in a garrison somewhere ?

Are 'they' going to lure ISIS to a reception in a venue somewhere , on the pretext of ' youv'e won a free IPhone - come and collect it ?

[Svejk]

Mikey, 2 years ago you wanted us to bomb Assad on behalf of the rebels( IS, Al-Qaeda, etc) So lets not have any revisionism.

[chaptazbru2]

retrocop, I agree with you.

[dannyk13]

Sooner or later someone is going to have to put troops on the ground,and the sooner the better.

[naomi24]

I see no alternative to military intervention. IS isn't going to talk and it isn't going to stop.

[mikey4444]

Sqad...I am not sure if I have all the answers either, but I don't think asking them nicely is going to work !

[retrocop]

danny
I don't think it is now a secret that there are boots on the ground. Not many but the eyes and the ears. (Sneaky Beakies). Oh and I forgot to add they have small laser guidance target indicators.Small little box of tricks that guides a smart bomb down the beam and takes out correctly identified targets on the ground. Worked very well in Iraq that Air/Ground liasion. Bit like the old FAC in the last war.

[Svejk]

There is an alternative. Either support Assad's attempts to wipe them out, or at the very least, stop hindering him.