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Cowards, Rather A Strong Word, But Fully Deserved In This Case.
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I have to side with Sqad and Bazille on this one.
The idea of 'bombing' has a very satisfying feel about it - w can go and 'bomb the hell out of them ...' - you can use a George W. Bush voice for effect if you want -
but the results will be the same as all recent military intervention - it will solve precisely nothing, apart from inspiring IS to mount a civilian bombing campaign in the west.
They don't need an air force - they are far more hands on, one Jihadist with a rucksack will do just fine.
And as a group of people who perceive that they are the persecuted people in this, what better a reason to increase recruitment than a bombing campaign that is going to slaughter thousands of innocent civilians.
It may be a vote winner among the gung-ho right wing, but in terms of military strategy, recent history points to just how useless it will be in actually achieving an outcome.
The idea of 'bombing' has a very satisfying feel about it - w can go and 'bomb the hell out of them ...' - you can use a George W. Bush voice for effect if you want -
but the results will be the same as all recent military intervention - it will solve precisely nothing, apart from inspiring IS to mount a civilian bombing campaign in the west.
They don't need an air force - they are far more hands on, one Jihadist with a rucksack will do just fine.
And as a group of people who perceive that they are the persecuted people in this, what better a reason to increase recruitment than a bombing campaign that is going to slaughter thousands of innocent civilians.
It may be a vote winner among the gung-ho right wing, but in terms of military strategy, recent history points to just how useless it will be in actually achieving an outcome.
There is an 'ongoing' bombing campaign against the west, Andy. Luckily, they haven't had any success in the UK for some time. But when they do, and they will, don't try blaming the Government/ Foreign Policy, etc, etc. The fault will lie with the Islamists and people like yourself who support them at every opportunity. You've, no doubt, been cheering the influx of battle-hardened recruits that's occurring right now.
Svejk- "The fault will lie with the Islamists and people like yourself who support them at every opportunity. You've, no doubt, been cheering the influx of battle-hardened recruits that's occurring right now."
If you can find one sentence anywhere on this site that confirms that I have supported Muslim extremism - then I will be delighted to agree with you.
But while you are searching and failing to find any evidence, please keep your offensive opinions about my 'cheering' in your own imagination where they belong.
If you can find one sentence anywhere on this site that confirms that I have supported Muslim extremism - then I will be delighted to agree with you.
But while you are searching and failing to find any evidence, please keep your offensive opinions about my 'cheering' in your own imagination where they belong.
It's a bit of a sad situation when the response "Well, I'd like to see what the proposals actually are before voting on them" is described as "cowardice". While I have argued that serious and sustained military action is required against IS, I wouldn't want anybody to vote on "serious and sustained military action" without some more details. What are the targets -- given how much of an utter mess Syria is in, a legitimate question -- and, in particular, what will we do afterwards? In Libya the answer was to withdraw as soon as we'd finished killing Ghaddafi, and the country remains in a mess; in Iraq and Afghanistan, the answer was to stay for a long time but with, apparently, not nearly enough impact.
I hope that the government can come up with reasonable plans for effective action against IS that can be voted on and carried out as soon as possible -- but before such plans are written, I don't see why anyone should have to give unconditional support.
I hope that the government can come up with reasonable plans for effective action against IS that can be voted on and carried out as soon as possible -- but before such plans are written, I don't see why anyone should have to give unconditional support.
AOG - "IS are such decent play the game fair types.
"Don't drop bombs on us and we will leave you alone".
How totally naive, one just could not make it up, and coming from a self confessed educated adult at that."
I assume that - as usual - your post is directed at me since I am without the courtesy of being addressed directly.
But if you are going to refer to things I have said, kindly refrain from putting them in quotation marks which infers that they are quotes that I have made -and clearly they are not.
I am not a 'self-confessed educated adult' - I am educated and an adult, there is no 'confession' involved - and as an adult I either debate with people directly, referring to them by name, as I do with you, or I ignore them completely. That is adult courtesy.
Please give it a try - or ignore me, I really don't care which.
"Don't drop bombs on us and we will leave you alone".
How totally naive, one just could not make it up, and coming from a self confessed educated adult at that."
I assume that - as usual - your post is directed at me since I am without the courtesy of being addressed directly.
But if you are going to refer to things I have said, kindly refrain from putting them in quotation marks which infers that they are quotes that I have made -and clearly they are not.
I am not a 'self-confessed educated adult' - I am educated and an adult, there is no 'confession' involved - and as an adult I either debate with people directly, referring to them by name, as I do with you, or I ignore them completely. That is adult courtesy.
Please give it a try - or ignore me, I really don't care which.
AOG - "/// That is a disgusting filthy slur on the integrity of the men and women of our armed forces. You should be ashamed of yourself, ///
Totally agree with you retrocop, but posts and threads don't seem to be removed for spouting such things, or even ABers suspended."
Maybe they are not removed because they have a context. and if they are read carefully instead of leaping to the attack, you will see that there is absolutely no slur on the armed forces - only on the politicians who direct them.
If you and others wish to see 'slurs' where no exist, and get all het up, then feel free, but those with editing powers obviously read posts as they are meant - not as you would like them to be meant so you can have yet another personal dig.
Totally agree with you retrocop, but posts and threads don't seem to be removed for spouting such things, or even ABers suspended."
Maybe they are not removed because they have a context. and if they are read carefully instead of leaping to the attack, you will see that there is absolutely no slur on the armed forces - only on the politicians who direct them.
If you and others wish to see 'slurs' where no exist, and get all het up, then feel free, but those with editing powers obviously read posts as they are meant - not as you would like them to be meant so you can have yet another personal dig.
Much better to bomb them from a height rather than put boots on the ground, much less young lives lost.
If anyone should be putting boots on the ground it should be the young cowards that are leaving their families behind and hot-tailing it to Europe.
After all why should we sacrifice our own, to make their country safe, and then when that has been achieved, for them to turn around and attack us for being invaders.
If anyone should be putting boots on the ground it should be the young cowards that are leaving their families behind and hot-tailing it to Europe.
After all why should we sacrifice our own, to make their country safe, and then when that has been achieved, for them to turn around and attack us for being invaders.
//Former Labour leader Ed Miliband, who blocked air strikes on Syria during a Commons vote in August 2013, also refused to comment yesterday when asked to defend that decision in the wake of the refuge crisis.//
Wasn't the vote of 2013 about supporting the then called the good "rebels" attacking Assad? Now the suggestion is that we attack THEM, (now re-named IS.)
If we do anything at all, we should join forces with Assad and Putin and remove IS pdq.
Wasn't the vote of 2013 about supporting the then called the good "rebels" attacking Assad? Now the suggestion is that we attack THEM, (now re-named IS.)
If we do anything at all, we should join forces with Assad and Putin and remove IS pdq.
ummm - "I don't always agree with Andy but it is getting so boring seeing thread after thread being derailed buy some dissecting everything he says. Most of manage to understand the context... "
Thank you for your support.
There is a small hardcore of AB'ers who are determined to leap on anything they can use to have a personal pop at other AB'ers - it's childish, nasty, and futile, and since I only defend myself when attacked - if they stop, I will be delighted to stop responding, which would be a relief for everyone else on the site.
Thank you for your support.
There is a small hardcore of AB'ers who are determined to leap on anything they can use to have a personal pop at other AB'ers - it's childish, nasty, and futile, and since I only defend myself when attacked - if they stop, I will be delighted to stop responding, which would be a relief for everyone else on the site.
/// "not as you would like them to be meant so you can have yet another personal dig". ///
Pot calling the Kettle, springs to mind.
Notice, I have even enclosed what you said in quotation marks, so there will be no misunderstanding, you did say that didn't you?
Incidentally taking of quotation marks, it does not infer that is what any particular person said, only if it is preceded by a person's name.
Pot calling the Kettle, springs to mind.
Notice, I have even enclosed what you said in quotation marks, so there will be no misunderstanding, you did say that didn't you?
Incidentally taking of quotation marks, it does not infer that is what any particular person said, only if it is preceded by a person's name.
AOG - "Incidentally taking of quotation marks, it does not infer that is what any particular person said, only if it is preceded by a person's name. "
Making up Site Rules now?
In that case, you'll have to drop your ' a certain AB'er' tag then won't you, and use my name?
It shouldn't kill you like it appears to - it's only common courtesy.
Making up Site Rules now?
In that case, you'll have to drop your ' a certain AB'er' tag then won't you, and use my name?
It shouldn't kill you like it appears to - it's only common courtesy.
/// Making up Site Rules now? ///
What has common usage got to do with Site Rules? And you are not the one to refer to Site Rules, seeing that you break them constantly with your abusive and personal comments towards others.
/// In that case, you'll have to drop your ' a certain AB'er' tag then won't you, and use my name? ///
Why should I? I don't need such as you to instruct me on how to address you, who do you think you are?
A certain ABer said "It shouldn't kill you like it appears to - it's only common courtesy".
What has common usage got to do with Site Rules? And you are not the one to refer to Site Rules, seeing that you break them constantly with your abusive and personal comments towards others.
/// In that case, you'll have to drop your ' a certain AB'er' tag then won't you, and use my name? ///
Why should I? I don't need such as you to instruct me on how to address you, who do you think you are?
A certain ABer said "It shouldn't kill you like it appears to - it's only common courtesy".
It would seem that air strikes do work.
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