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Seems Like A Good Idea, What Do Others Think?
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Took them a long time to realise schengen was going to bite them on the backside.Are they going tohave gendarmes running through the chunnel shouting,"Arretez mon amis you forgot to give us your dabs so we can check against your passport" Oh you don't have a passport or any other documents. "Passez"
*(&^*&^%(*&^%( stupid idea. How could anyone pretend otherwise ? Blatant disregard of decent citizen's rights by the sort of individual who wants the State to control everything we do or go. Should be thrown out immediately and not given the air of publicity. I don't think folk ever learn anything from the past. This is supposed to be a part of the world where citizens are free not a State control your life part and these idiots want to erode that even further by taking indications that are only valid to identify criminals ? The world is going to hell in a handbasket. We have traditional passports indicating which country we are a citizen of, we should need nothing more.
Which is it?
France wants to extend this to also cover non-Schengen EU countries
Or
Only travellers from non-EU countries, but France wants it to be extended to everyone.
As usual, the Daily Mail's attempt to be alarmist means that article they have written makes no sense.
Is it a good idea, probably not.
It would be a complete waste of time, effort and money to fingerprint all British holiday makers going to France (I doubt that bit of the article is true). Or indeed any EU citizen crossing borders.
I agree that the EU outer border should be more secure, and anyone entering at passport control should be properly recorded (including bio-metrics) but as we know, a great number of those getting into the EU don't come in through passport control.
France wants to extend this to also cover non-Schengen EU countries
Or
Only travellers from non-EU countries, but France wants it to be extended to everyone.
As usual, the Daily Mail's attempt to be alarmist means that article they have written makes no sense.
Is it a good idea, probably not.
It would be a complete waste of time, effort and money to fingerprint all British holiday makers going to France (I doubt that bit of the article is true). Or indeed any EU citizen crossing borders.
I agree that the EU outer border should be more secure, and anyone entering at passport control should be properly recorded (including bio-metrics) but as we know, a great number of those getting into the EU don't come in through passport control.
That`s no different to what they have been doing in the US for years. "Right four fingers on the screen, thumb, left four fingers, thumb. Look at the camera" Some airports have introduced a new screen where you do it yourself and it`s a shambles. They have teething problems and you can be stuck at Immigration for an hour. Let`s hope the French buy different machines.
Dont they already require fingerprints for a Schengen visa?
Problem is, as Gromit rightly points out, it is the people who dont bother with a visa that are the issue. Can't see how this will sort it out, unless the French use it as a filtering system make it easier to pass illegal immigrants straight on to the UK (as they currently do).
Problem is, as Gromit rightly points out, it is the people who dont bother with a visa that are the issue. Can't see how this will sort it out, unless the French use it as a filtering system make it easier to pass illegal immigrants straight on to the UK (as they currently do).
The Mail repirt is very confused. This link better explains what is proposed...
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It would require any EU citizen, who leaves the EU, to be fingerprinted and a smartcard to let you out (and back in again). So that Holiday to America, or trip to see relatives in Oz or your Med holiday to Turkey will require this Smart Card. Implementation will not be cheap, and it won't make it any easier to catch people once they have illegally entered the EU, so it seems like a lot of faff for us for very little, if any gain.
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It would require any EU citizen, who leaves the EU, to be fingerprinted and a smartcard to let you out (and back in again). So that Holiday to America, or trip to see relatives in Oz or your Med holiday to Turkey will require this Smart Card. Implementation will not be cheap, and it won't make it any easier to catch people once they have illegally entered the EU, so it seems like a lot of faff for us for very little, if any gain.
I agree AOG - it seems like a good idea.
But I also agree with Ratter - the logistics are horrendous.
For the past six years, I have travelled to Montreal, and been routed through Philadelphia.
Even though I am only transiting, and not physically leaving the airport, I still have to go through Imigtarion Control which involves fingerprinting and retina scanning.
I have no objection to security measures, but on two occasions, I missed my connecting flight because of the hour-plus delay it took to clear the process.
The first time, I queried what would happen to my luggage, and was assured that it would be taken off my planned flight and put onto my new flight, quote 'No bag ever travels without a passenger linked to it.'
When I arrived at Montreal, I was advised that my bag had been missed, and was travelling on the next flight, which made something of a mockery of the system I feel.
I was awoken from my deep sleep in my hotel at some unearthly hour of the morning to advise me that my bag had arrived - obviously it had endured the delay and exhaustion better than I did - even if it did flout the security rules by being flown and couriered unaccompanied!
But I also agree with Ratter - the logistics are horrendous.
For the past six years, I have travelled to Montreal, and been routed through Philadelphia.
Even though I am only transiting, and not physically leaving the airport, I still have to go through Imigtarion Control which involves fingerprinting and retina scanning.
I have no objection to security measures, but on two occasions, I missed my connecting flight because of the hour-plus delay it took to clear the process.
The first time, I queried what would happen to my luggage, and was assured that it would be taken off my planned flight and put onto my new flight, quote 'No bag ever travels without a passenger linked to it.'
When I arrived at Montreal, I was advised that my bag had been missed, and was travelling on the next flight, which made something of a mockery of the system I feel.
I was awoken from my deep sleep in my hotel at some unearthly hour of the morning to advise me that my bag had arrived - obviously it had endured the delay and exhaustion better than I did - even if it did flout the security rules by being flown and couriered unaccompanied!
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