Latest In A Long Series Of Murders By American Policemen

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34926104

"Officer Jason Van Dyke has been charged with first-degree murder"

This time the murderer has been caught on dash cam ! Is it any wonder that the black American public are losing confidence in their Police !

[retrocop]

I was almost frightened to ask our forensic/ballistic experts here who have already made their minds up on little evidence how many bullets does it take to neutralise a person high on crack cocaine.By past FBI experience in excess of sometimes 20 rnds.They know nothing but quick to judge. Lynch mob mentality comes to mind .

[shoota]

If you look at the diagram of shots fired you will see that none of the recorded hits are in a particularly damaging position.

[Baldric]

\\\I can't see the relevance of this murder being committed over a years ago\\\

Because it was posted under the heading "Latest In A Long Series Of Murders By American Policemen" which gives completely the wrong impression.

[shoota]

It just worries me that people make up their minds unequivocally on the basis of a report which shows incomplete evidence and may have been written with a particular agenda in mind.

There are two sides to every story - at least.

[Orderlimit]

Lets hope we get an answer to the how many bullets question retrocop.

(that doesn't mean how many bullets it takes on a movie)

[Mamyalynne]

My mind is not made up, I'll leave that to the courts.


Regarding weaponry, because someone doesn't bang on about their knowledge doesn't mean they have none.

[jackthehat]

///Regarding weaponry, because someone doesn't bang on about their knowledge doesn't mean they have none///
Well said.

And calling into question the temperament of Officer Van Dyke does not constitute any ingrained dislike of the Police on a National/International basis.

[shoota]

Mikey has already convicted him:

//This time the murderer has been caught//

[Bazile]

//If you look at the diagram of shots fired you will see that none of the recorded hits are in a particularly damaging position.//

lol - i suppose it depends on your definition of 'damaging'

[shoota]

As in instantly fatal...

[shoota]

Or even instantly incapacitating.

[jackthehat]

Perhaps they weren't instantly fatal but there was a sufficient number of them for the chill air to whistle through and cause him to die of hypothermia?

[shoota]

Mikey chooses to quote the report: //charged with first-degree murder// whereas on the video it says he has been charged with 'homicide'.

[mikey4444]

shoota...you are quite correct ! I should have said killer instead. My thanks to you for pointing out my error !

[bazwillrun]

Hey mikey why stop at one year, go back through the records and drag up any others you feel we should know about.....

why some of you bother with him is beyond me, him and AH are like peas in a pod...youll just keep going round and round in circles...

[-Talbot-]

The kid made no movement towards the police before or after the first shot was fired. There are the odd few cases that you can make judgement on by video alone and imo this is one of them.
The answers on the thread are quite predictable most posters have a set stance on incidents like this and will not ebb away from their viewpoint no matter what.

[retrocop]

I cannot find an FBI information film on google. Hardly surprising. It was probably restricted from public eyes when I saw it on a training course.
I don't give a flying fig if you think I make this up or not.
A reconstructed scenario narrated two uniformed U.S. police officers visiting a flat to execute an arrest warrant.One male and the other female . That is irrelevant.
They were allowed access by the tenant and they produced the warrant. He produced a firearm and shot them both. Both fell to the floor wounded. One mortally. Fire was exchanged by all three across the room lying on the floor. Firearms were reloaded but one officer died. The perptrator and surviving officer continued to exchange shots until the officer lost concieness through loss of blood.Eventually assistance came and the perpetrator died after other officers arrived. There was in excess of 20 rnds in the perptrator.
There were similar films I watched to highlight the dangers of assuming that emptying a full magazine into a person who is high on crack cocaine does not put them down permanently and they are still a danger.
Mamalynnes flippant comment about having bullets fired into the deceased who will be an Olympic spear chucker are not far from probable fact and not amusing.
To be certain of neutralising someone high on crack would virtually require a Rocket propelled grenade to neutralise the danger.
Mock if you will but no doubt all U.S. police officers have seen those films and are aware. Can you all say the same thing before you prejudge?
At this stage the given evidence is not conclusive and I am not going to say the officer was right or wrong.If you don't know the full facts it is best not to follow mikeys rule of justice. Let the jury decide first.
Mikey's Law: U.S. Cop > White>Armed>Trigger Happy> Crazy> Shoots.
Victim: Black American> = Guilty according to Mikey's armchair theatre.

[mikey4444]

Shoota...direct quote from the text of the BBC link :::

"Officer Jason Van Dyke has been charged with first-degree murder in the case"

[Svejk]

[sp1814]

So...is there any question over the number of shots that Officer Van Dyke let off?

It was sixteen right?

Could some of those who have better understanding of how policing work explain why there was a need to shoot him so many times after he was lying on the ground?

I mean - none of us were there, so we can only go by what we see on the video, and what the family's lawyer states (which is naturally biased), but doesn't common sense dictate that this case looks...suspicious?