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Latest In A Long Series Of Murders By American Policemen
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"Officer Jason Van Dyke has been charged with first-degree murder"
This time the murderer has been caught on dash cam ! Is it any wonder that the black American public are losing confidence in their Police !
"Officer Jason Van Dyke has been charged with first-degree murder"
This time the murderer has been caught on dash cam ! Is it any wonder that the black American public are losing confidence in their Police !
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///She said McDonald had been carrying a knife when he was stopped by police in 2014 but had not been threatening them or moving towards them. Mr Van Dyke opened fire seconds after he arrived and continued shooting at the teenager as he lay on the ground, the lawyer added./// Pretty indefensible behaviour from Officer Van Dyke...
08:49 Thu 26th Nov 2015
sp
I know you will gloss over what I write. Just explained why,if a perpetrator is drug crazed and high on crack, how difficult it would be to neutralise a potential threat.
Whilst all seem quick to condemn on the flimsy worthless information in the link there is a deafening silence over further facts that were supplied by Shoota on what this angel was doing and threatening earlier.
I know you will gloss over what I write. Just explained why,if a perpetrator is drug crazed and high on crack, how difficult it would be to neutralise a potential threat.
Whilst all seem quick to condemn on the flimsy worthless information in the link there is a deafening silence over further facts that were supplied by Shoota on what this angel was doing and threatening earlier.
jackthehat
It could well have been crack cocaine - at the moment though, we don't know - we just know it was a hallucinogenic drug.
Perhaps Officer Van Dyke was inexperienced, or maybe he thought that McDonald was going to throw the knife at him, causing injury.
Who knows.
I think the key question here is once McDonald was on the ground and incapacitated - did Van Dyke continue firing?
If so - why?
Another problem we have looking at the video is that it doesn't run from start to finish. We have no way of knowing what took place in the sections where it cuts back to the lawyer.
It could well have been crack cocaine - at the moment though, we don't know - we just know it was a hallucinogenic drug.
Perhaps Officer Van Dyke was inexperienced, or maybe he thought that McDonald was going to throw the knife at him, causing injury.
Who knows.
I think the key question here is once McDonald was on the ground and incapacitated - did Van Dyke continue firing?
If so - why?
Another problem we have looking at the video is that it doesn't run from start to finish. We have no way of knowing what took place in the sections where it cuts back to the lawyer.
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This shows the events prior to the clip in Mikey's post including the shooting.
It shows the youth walking directly towards a Police car with the knife in his hand, he only veers away when Van Dyke gets out of his Police car with his gun drawn. It also shows that the knife was in his hand throughout until an officer kicks it away.
PLEASE DO NOT WTCH THIS IF THE SIGHT OF THE YOUTH BEING SHOT WILL DISTURB YOU.
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I bear no brief for this man and quite agree that there are questions that need answering but that can only be done by those in possession of the full facts.
Officer Van Dyke's complaint record was not excessive for his length of service, 18 complaints in 14 years if my memory serves me right and you get complaints of excessive force if you put handcuffs on too tight, you can't take his complaint record into account, again, without knowing the full facts. (I once got a complaint for being too polite would you believe.)
It shows the youth walking directly towards a Police car with the knife in his hand, he only veers away when Van Dyke gets out of his Police car with his gun drawn. It also shows that the knife was in his hand throughout until an officer kicks it away.
PLEASE DO NOT WTCH THIS IF THE SIGHT OF THE YOUTH BEING SHOT WILL DISTURB YOU.
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I bear no brief for this man and quite agree that there are questions that need answering but that can only be done by those in possession of the full facts.
Officer Van Dyke's complaint record was not excessive for his length of service, 18 complaints in 14 years if my memory serves me right and you get complaints of excessive force if you put handcuffs on too tight, you can't take his complaint record into account, again, without knowing the full facts. (I once got a complaint for being too polite would you believe.)
From the footage in Shoota's link, I still can't make out why the youth posed a threat serious enough to kill him. I can't make out that he was doing anything other than walking about in the traffic, which is stupid, but surely not a reason to kill him.
I see where a policeman kicks a weapon away from the dying youth's hand as he's on the floor, so presumably that's what he was carrying.
It's a small and indistinct clip from an incident that began somewhere else and we don't seem to be shown or told about that. I think anyone trying to understand what went on would need that information.
The sad scenario raises very important questions about human rights, by which I mean everyone's right not to be killed for being an idiot, and not to be killed for doing a job keeping society safe.
It also highlights a troubling trend that we're copying from the US, namely that justice is difficult to get if you're poor and marginalised.
It's noticeable that this thread has again attracted the usual posters who launch into aggressive and bullying language to support what they want to say.
We can all only use the evidence we're presented with in this case. The discussion needs contributors to analyse the evidence that they can see and read. That will be the best way to get a clearer view of what occurred.
I see where a policeman kicks a weapon away from the dying youth's hand as he's on the floor, so presumably that's what he was carrying.
It's a small and indistinct clip from an incident that began somewhere else and we don't seem to be shown or told about that. I think anyone trying to understand what went on would need that information.
The sad scenario raises very important questions about human rights, by which I mean everyone's right not to be killed for being an idiot, and not to be killed for doing a job keeping society safe.
It also highlights a troubling trend that we're copying from the US, namely that justice is difficult to get if you're poor and marginalised.
It's noticeable that this thread has again attracted the usual posters who launch into aggressive and bullying language to support what they want to say.
We can all only use the evidence we're presented with in this case. The discussion needs contributors to analyse the evidence that they can see and read. That will be the best way to get a clearer view of what occurred.
The post by sp at 20.35 yesterday raised an interesting question.
\\\\I think the key question here is once McDonald was on the ground and incapacitated - did Van Dyke continue firing?
If so - why? \\\
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Ove the past decades, we have seen more and more of this multiple executions in Afghanistan,Northern Ireland and even by the police in the UK (Killing of de Mendeez)
Why does a soldier, policeman , terrorist repeatedly unload bullets into an already dead person?
a)Diminished Sound: 88% did not hear sounds such as gunfire, shouting, or sirens, or the sounds had "an unusual distant, muffled quality."
b)Tunnel Vision: 82% reported that their "vision became intensely focused on the perceived threat" and they lost their peripheral vision.
c)Automatic Pilot: 78% reported responding "automatically to the perceived threat, giving little or no conscious thought" to their actions.
d)Heightened Visual Clarity: 65% reported being able to "see some details or actions with unusually vivid clarity or detail."
e)Slow Motion Time: 63% reported that "events seemed to be taking place in slow motion and seemed to take longer to happen than they really did."
f)Memory Loss for Parts of the Event: 61% reported that, after the event, there were parts of it that they could not remember.
g)Memory Loss for Actions: 60% reported that, after the event, they could not remember some of their own actions.
These "fear" situations are rarely met with unless one is in the armed forces or an armed police force and this unrealistic and unnatural situation may be difficult or impossible to control.
Just a thought.
\\\\I think the key question here is once McDonald was on the ground and incapacitated - did Van Dyke continue firing?
If so - why? \\\
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Ove the past decades, we have seen more and more of this multiple executions in Afghanistan,Northern Ireland and even by the police in the UK (Killing of de Mendeez)
Why does a soldier, policeman , terrorist repeatedly unload bullets into an already dead person?
a)Diminished Sound: 88% did not hear sounds such as gunfire, shouting, or sirens, or the sounds had "an unusual distant, muffled quality."
b)Tunnel Vision: 82% reported that their "vision became intensely focused on the perceived threat" and they lost their peripheral vision.
c)Automatic Pilot: 78% reported responding "automatically to the perceived threat, giving little or no conscious thought" to their actions.
d)Heightened Visual Clarity: 65% reported being able to "see some details or actions with unusually vivid clarity or detail."
e)Slow Motion Time: 63% reported that "events seemed to be taking place in slow motion and seemed to take longer to happen than they really did."
f)Memory Loss for Parts of the Event: 61% reported that, after the event, there were parts of it that they could not remember.
g)Memory Loss for Actions: 60% reported that, after the event, they could not remember some of their own actions.
These "fear" situations are rarely met with unless one is in the armed forces or an armed police force and this unrealistic and unnatural situation may be difficult or impossible to control.
Just a thought.
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