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What Can The Doctors Strike Achieve !

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modeller | 12:42 Wed 10th Feb 2016 | News
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My large local hospital is effectively closed from 4pm Friday until 4pm Mon. when then ,there are " Doctor's ward rounds ", by which time it's usually too late in the day for patients to be discharged or transferred. As a result the hospital doesn't get back to ' normal ' until the Tuesday. ' Normal ' being a three day week Tues, Wed, Thur.

I'm sorry to to say that the Nhs , like most things run by the state , is an inefficient , albeit necessary organization .


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The Doctors' strike will achieve what any strike achieves - it will draw public attention to their grievances.

Whether that will spur the government into action with regard to addressing those grievances is another issue, but that is the intention, and it will achieve its aim in that sense at least.
perhaps more staff would mean you were less likely to be operated on by someone who's already been working for 10 hours. That would be a plus.
Perhaps if they strike frequently enough, and for longer periods, the resulting death rate will mean that they are not required to be on duty. Pyrric Victory perhaps.
My daughter once called me very upset, she had been working long hours in A & E and was totally crushed. She was very afraid that if someone seriously injured came in then she would make a terrible mistake with disatrous consequences.

If thats how you want to be treated by a Doctor then disagree with the strike, otherwise see where they are coming from at least to a degree.

And let us not forget the mountain of debt a doctor has to get into to achieve the qualification. They need the extra rates to help pay that off, its that or go abroad. My daughter worked in an Australian hospital as part of her training. She is seriously considering moving out there. You could of course replace her with a foreign doctor you wont understand or has dubious qualifications (any 1/2 decent one wont come here).

The NHS is very poorly run. If it was a business probably 1/2 the staff would be fired (and that includes some doctors). It is bloated with management, has poor communication and cannot develop a computer system for toffee( again - pay peanuts ...)
\\\My daughter once called me very upset, she had been working long hours in A & E and was totally crushed. She was very afraid that if someone seriously injured came in then she would make a terrible mistake with disatrous consequences.\\

That's on old trick that Drs have used to get their way in a State run medical system..."just wave the shroud" and you will get what you want.
What hours is she working? For how long will this last? Surely she is not alone in A&E, are the others also "totally crushed?" One is at one's peak, aged between 25 and 35 years old, this is a learning curve for you in medicine. If a serious RTA comes in, surely your daughter is not alone.....there must be support staff present.

I have also noticed on the TV that the majority of these banner waving, chanting individuals are mainly women........
We train too many women doctors and that is an inefficient way of staffing a health service.

jno

\\\\perhaps more staff would mean you were less likely to be operated on by someone who's already been working for 10 hours.\\\

Again an emotional post, the sort of operation that a tired junior would have to perform could be easily done by a well lubricated meerkat.

YMG

\\\The NHS is very poorly run. If it was a business probably 1/2 the staff would be fired (and that includes some doctors). It is bloated with management, has poor communication and cannot develop a computer system for toffee( again - pay peanuts ...)\\\

That i agree.

However, things will never change....the doctors don't want it to, the patients certainly don't and the juggernaut of Socialised medicine will rumble on.

My sympathies are with the Politicians of both persuasions.

Sorry...I didn't answer your question....
"What Can The Doctors Strike Achieve !"

The continuance of an antiquated inefficient and unaffordable health service.
The decline in services which have been privatised in the public sector rather goes against your statement re things run by the state. After the railways and the NHS, this week we had the adverse report on the privatised Probation Service. The state does much better on essential public services because it doesn't have greedy shareholders holding the public to ransom.
Canary

\\\\\The state does much better on essential public services because it doesn't have greedy shareholders holding the public to ransom.\\

Then support your NHS and the Doctor's strike.
My posts on this thread reflect my views about privatising the NHS.

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1473718-1.html
Regarding long working hours; Many nurses actually choose to work 12 hour shifts. This means they can do a full-time job in three days and many have other jobs as well.
Khandro - //Regarding long working hours; Many nurses actually choose to work 12 hour shifts. This means they can do a full-time job in three days and many have other jobs as well. //

Not sure of the relevance of nurses' working patterns to a Junior Doctors' strike - ?
//What Can The Doctors Strike Achieve !//
Patients suffering due to appointments being deferred.
It may achieve you NOT going to pay for your health care.

Not been attended to by a Doc / nurse that is knackerd

It may achieve this arrogant Government Promise that the NHS was safe in their arrogance hands.

Do you honestly think that the Doctors strike are doing this for the fun of it Mod?

Jeremy Hunt appears to the problem here.

How Hunt is still in his job is a huge mystery to me. He couldn't have handled this affair any worse if he had tried. dave should make him fall on his sword, and then appoint someone else.
Who Mikey, don't forget the Motto, We are all in it together, maybe his Mother or even his Aunt?
TWR...whoever dave appoints can hardly make a worse job than Hunt !

As the BMA and Hunt appear to be at loggerheads, replacing Hunt would seem to be worth trying.

Like you, I think that its come to a pretty pass when the ruddy Doctors go on strike....only the Tories could have managed that with such expertise.

Nye must be turning in his grave.
> What Can The Doctors Strike Achieve !

The flipside of the question is "What can the doctors accepting the new working practices achieve?"

The drive is for a "7x24" NHS, but with the same money and same staff as the current NHS.

If put into place this would surely mean that the service on some days and times improves, while the service on other days and times worsens, but overall we'd be no better off than we are now (and possibly a bit worse). A bit like the difference between having a knob of butter in the middle of a piece of toast, or spread all over the surface of the toast - it's the same knob of butter.

I wonder what bad news is being buried elsewhere while this trivia dominates the headlines ...
Ellipsis....the phrase " The NHS is safe with us" is an often heard Tory mantra.

I never believed it when it first surfaced and I certainly don't believe it now.

The NHS is the prime reason why millions of people won't vote Tory....not enough of them unfortunately.
The NHS was founded in 1948, 68 years ago.

Since then it's spent about 28 of those 68 years under a Labour Government and 35 years under a Tory Government, with a further 5 years under a Tory-led coalition. How is it still going if the Tories are so against it, I wonder?
I am surprised at your stance youngmafbog given your previous views on strikers

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