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Should Guantanamo Bay Now Be Closed, And If So What Should Be Done Regarding It's Prisoners?
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yes it should be closed
no it should never have been opened
when asked about torturing prisoners there
the Americans dont even try " What ? that is a war crime how dare you ? "
they just whimper - the lawyers at the time said we could
there were plenty who said they couldnt
Steve Kleinman got it in the neck for supposedly designing suitable buildings in which to do it
He wrecked his career by showing a congressional committee that his thesis was being misused and he had clearly in the thesis said they could NOT be used for enhanced interrogation as it was clearly against the law and had been in WW2
( the thesis was on design and manning of debrief centres )
Military "Intelligence" are sure that the final ninety have 'done something' but have no idea at all what it is / was
and what do you do about the people who have been incarcerated without trial for fifteen years ? No idea
At least the British had the decency to FRAME the irish non-bombers
and subject them to a show-trial
no it should never have been opened
when asked about torturing prisoners there
the Americans dont even try " What ? that is a war crime how dare you ? "
they just whimper - the lawyers at the time said we could
there were plenty who said they couldnt
Steve Kleinman got it in the neck for supposedly designing suitable buildings in which to do it
He wrecked his career by showing a congressional committee that his thesis was being misused and he had clearly in the thesis said they could NOT be used for enhanced interrogation as it was clearly against the law and had been in WW2
( the thesis was on design and manning of debrief centres )
Military "Intelligence" are sure that the final ninety have 'done something' but have no idea at all what it is / was
and what do you do about the people who have been incarcerated without trial for fifteen years ? No idea
At least the British had the decency to FRAME the irish non-bombers
and subject them to a show-trial
Yes, it should be closed. I'll probably be accused of being a muesli munching liberal, but keeping people locked up without trial and possibly tortured should not happen in a civilised country.
Close the place, put the inmates on trial if there's enough evidence and send them to other prisons if appropriate.
Close the place, put the inmates on trial if there's enough evidence and send them to other prisons if appropriate.
There's something very incongruous about the support for Guantanamo Bay Republicans in particular seem to show. It could be seen as the ultimate expression of "big Government" -- randomly locking up people it doesn't like based on no evidence, or at least none it's prepared to allow to be tested in open court. Why do so many people regard the people in there as necessarily guilty, because some unidentified intelligence officer says they are? In many cases these are (presumably) the same people who got the intelligence surrounding WMDs in Iraq so clearly wrong. While that's not enough to say that they are wrong in calling the detainees guilty also, it should at least be enough to prompt doubts. But from Rubio, or anyone working at Fox News, or Republican politicians in general, we see none. No doubt whatsoever. That cannot be reasonable.
Yes, it should be closed, and the people inside brought to trial. It cannot be acceptable that some people are locked up indefinitely -- not to mention subject to alleged torture and other "cruel and unusual punishments" -- just because some person who either cannot be or is not held to account says they should be.
Yes, it should be closed, and the people inside brought to trial. It cannot be acceptable that some people are locked up indefinitely -- not to mention subject to alleged torture and other "cruel and unusual punishments" -- just because some person who either cannot be or is not held to account says they should be.
// I'll probably be accused of being a muesli munching liberal, but keeping people locked up without trial and possibly tortured should not happen in a civilised country. // Clove
here Habeas Corpus act 1689 I think ( could be 1677 )
American Bases are off limits to american law of the free
unlike British Bases abroad where the Queens writ runs as normal
( the american case was decided by their supreme court when japs were in the wire and they got a bit flustered. And they basically said you can shoot anyone. The british case was decided in peace time and the judges said 'of course we should be allowed in...'
here Habeas Corpus act 1689 I think ( could be 1677 )
American Bases are off limits to american law of the free
unlike British Bases abroad where the Queens writ runs as normal
( the american case was decided by their supreme court when japs were in the wire and they got a bit flustered. And they basically said you can shoot anyone. The british case was decided in peace time and the judges said 'of course we should be allowed in...'
// Jim you know very well most evidence on such people can never be given in open court. I cant see why a closed court was not used though.//
absolute ruuuubbish !
and whaaaat is wrong with public justice ?
Oh it is so secret we cant tell you was tried in R v Ponting and it was shown that the prosecution was not secret - - - they were lying .....
yes her mahesty's counsel was LYING in court to deceive everyone
Ponting acquitted.... and that was 1972
absolute ruuuubbish !
and whaaaat is wrong with public justice ?
Oh it is so secret we cant tell you was tried in R v Ponting and it was shown that the prosecution was not secret - - - they were lying .....
yes her mahesty's counsel was LYING in court to deceive everyone
Ponting acquitted.... and that was 1972
Cloverjo
/// The "law" that PP mentions should be torn up and QB closed. ///
Agreed the facility should be closed but what to do with it's prisoners?
America doesn't want them on their soil and we certainly don't want them, although saying that, there are some who might.
I suggest that they open up Alcatraz and intern the dangerous ones and any future ones there.
/// The "law" that PP mentions should be torn up and QB closed. ///
Agreed the facility should be closed but what to do with it's prisoners?
America doesn't want them on their soil and we certainly don't want them, although saying that, there are some who might.
I suggest that they open up Alcatraz and intern the dangerous ones and any future ones there.
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