The Campaign Has Started In Earnest.

[Togo]

Have you had yours yet. Ours came through the door this morning. Looking very official, glossy, quality paper and print, nice big banner headlines, even done up in Red and Green to please the local populace. Printed in both languages, English and Cymraeg.' Leaving Europe would be a leap in the dark' white print on a funereal black 6" by 6" square in the most prominent position. Further banners stating 'Leaving Europe would be a leap in the dark'. It has come from strongerin.co.uk/join and the only sources quoted are, The Office for National Statistics, Wales online, HMRC, and BBC Wales Online. Propaganda in its most blatant manifestation. The Welsh main news this evening began a blatant campaign to remain in Europe, with a set of doom laden statements and bogus statistics. Deliberately giving air time to people who were pro Euro, and showing just one anti Euro in the worst possible light. There are no phone numbers or accredited authors or agency, just the web link inviting you to join. It will get dirty before long.

[jourdain2]

Got our 'paper' this morning. Lies, half-truths and statistics with huge amounts of spin and very clever language (no Welsh bit, of course). I didn't bin it, we've read it and have our refutations and counter-arguments ready.

If you ask me, it's already getting dirty.

[bazwillrun]

Got mine from one of the remain groups...total speculation and scaremongering, all coulds mights and maybes...not one fact...

now in its rightful place..the bin

[Togo]

You're not allowed to put it in the 'bin' baz. Has to be recycled as per Euro rubbish legislation.

[askyourgran]

I had my letter from the Leave campaign today, all the usual reasons, have to say I'm on their side. Camerons' behaviour recently has shown him in a different light, and I would not vote for him again. The fact that the In campaign seem to have the edge and their miserable predictions of what will happen if we leave makes me more certain that we will be OK on our own without being dictated to by foreign ministers. Merkel's open borders also plays a large part in my decision to vote Out. I never thought I would see London and other cities with Romanians sleeping in the streets, Asian gangs and terrorist threats, holding camps full of immigrants. Granted it is not all to do with the EU but the sooner we manage our own affairs the better.

[Jackdaw33]

Some of us are old enough to remember a time before the EU. We didn't live in the dark then, rather to the contrary.

[jourdain2]

I've said it before, Jackdaw, none of us old enough to remember that we managed better on our own is permitted to die, for any reason, before the Referendum!

[Togo]

The junior doctors are mainly stay in candidates jordaine, and have just decided on a cull of the 'old guard' before we have a chance to vote.

[jourdain2]

So we grit our teeth, Togo, and get really stubborn! (Some truth in what you say, though. :) )

[Gromit]

You got a leaflet on the European Referendum, today.
Is that really worth starting a thread about?

I got mine a fortnight ago, but my first inclination wasn't to come on here and bleat about it.

If you don't agree with the leaflet, throw it away, flush it down the loo, burn it, insulate your wall cavities with it. But don't complain about receiving it in a democratic poll. I atill haven't had anything from the 'Leave' campaign, but I gather they are all in-fighting like a sack full of cats.

[Togo]

//Is that really worth starting a thread about? //

No leave immediately and don't let it bother your 'head'.

// but my first inclination wasn't to come on here and bleat about it.//

Stop bleating then you poor precious lamb.

// I atill haven't had anything from the 'Leave' campaign,/

I take atill to mean I still. Well you have now, how do you like it? At least you had the choice of whether to 'recieve' it or not.

[retrocop]

Gromit
I have read here on many occasions that some accuse you of being anti-British.
I have never made that accusation but if it is true then why should you worry or get involved in this debate whether the UK is part of the EU or not ?

[Mamyalynne]

I have had both 'out' and 'in' literature through , read them both.

[retrocop]

Literature? I don't need no stinkin literature. I already made my own mind up.

[Baldric]

With a hell of a shout, it's "Out brothers, out!"

[Gromit]

Retrocop,
I am not neceassarily going to vote to stay in the EU. I am undecided. There is a lot about the EU I do not like. I would say I am 50/50 either way.

I am looking for arguements to persuade me for the Brexit, and I am genuinely receptive to a convincing opinion that may sway me.

But some numpty whinging that, in a free debate, he recieves literature through his letterbox from the opposing side, and that is somehow bad/propaganda/conspiracy or 'dirty', is just plain idiotic.

[Gromit]

Divebuddy,
No. I love my present job herding cats.

[Togo]

Gromit has not only a penchant to involve himself in every thread running, at great length usually, he now wishes to decide which points are raised, or the subject matter that is permissible from the op.

''Ve vill aschk ze cvestions''

[Gromit]

// Gromit has not only a penchant to involve himself in every thread running, at great length usually //

As usually, you're sloppy with your research.
Of the current 20 threads on the news section front page, I am not involved in 9 of them. 2 of the remaining threads I have submited one, one sentence replies. I do in fact have a policy of ignoring about a half of the questions posted.

[Togo]

It must just seem more then. Haha.^^

Another point why are we allowing the EU to fund a stay campaign, being held in a Sovereign Nation, in a referendum as to whether we get out.