4 Years For Murder.....

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-35917537
When are we going to start punishing these lowlives?

[anneasquith]

I do disagree that this young Man's identity is kept secret. 9. Or 19 years in prison. A young boy is dead .

[hc4361]

He will not be out within five years because of The Prisoners Control of Release (Scotland) Act 2015 - as I have already told you.

Even in the link you posted there is a clue: "He will begin serving his sentence in a young offenders institution because of his age."

He will remain in the YOI until he is 21 in just under 5 years time, then be transferred to an adult prison.

[ToraToraTora]

even if he does the whole 9 years, it's still a let off. How long will he do? It wont be 9 years will it?

[hc4361]

Read up on the Act. He will serve at least 8 years and 6 months

[anneasquith]

I wonder if there is an argument for leaving YOI. For general prison at 18 years old ?

[mushroom25]

//I suggest you read up on the The Prisoners Control of Release (Scotland) Act 2015 //

The Prisoners and Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993 provided for prisoners serving 4 years or more to be eligible for release once two thirds of the sentence had been served; the Prisiners (control of release) (Scotland) Act 2015 amended this so that prisoners sentenced to four years or more for sex offences and 10 years or more for other crimes will no longer be entitled to automatic early release from prison at any point in their sentence.

thus in this case as the sentence was 9 years and there was no sexual offence, the Prisoners (control of release)(Scotland) Act doesn't apply - although you are correct, he won't be out in 4 years, more likely six.

[retrocop]

Peter Pedant



//we should agree to use words with their normal meaning
because if we dont.... 'communication' becomes chaotic //
PP

PMSL.

[anneasquith]

I find PP " easier * to comprehend :-)

[ToraToraTora]

so he'll be out in six, now that's alright then! The victims family must be delighted.

[EDDIE51]

T T T I suppose you would rather see a death sentence imposed?
You really are turning into your avatar , you share the same aptitude for for putting your foot in your mouth.

[ToraToraTora]

I would rather see a proper murder conviction and life in jail, ie the same as the victim, who said anything about capital punishment?

[Sqad]

Yesd, I do have a certain amount of sympathy with the point made by TTT, however, our assailant didn't set out that day to kill his victim, he did that out of uncontrolled rage.
The sentence was correct.

TTT it could have been worse, he could have been sent for "anger counselling."

[ToraToraTora]

no one on this thread has yet condemned the murderer or shown any sympathy for the victim or his family. What a nasty lot you lefties are, you prefer to have a pop at me because I want to see justice for the victim.

[ToraToraTora]

he took a knife to school with him sqad, was it bring your blade to school day then?

[mikey4444]

TTT...just between the two us, and I know this won't go any further, but I too am unhappy about the length of the sentence.

A young life has been cruelly cut short and one can only imagine what his family must be going through.

But I am unclear about your comment about "the left" ? This has nothing whatsoever to do left or right, but has everything to do with the statute of law and its application in Scotland.

Did you forget to accuse everybody of being "anti-British" as well ?

[Ellipsis]

Here is a fairly full description of the evidence:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-35715655

Given that evidence, it is not clear why the charge was lessened from murder to culpable homicide (or whether the jury was offered both charges and chose the lesser one). I would have thought that a) taking a knife into school, b) brandishing it and c) stabbing someone in the chest with it, leading to their death, was murder. It's not as if we all carry knives and knuckledusters around, is it?

[ToraToraTora]

the left are those that seem to back the criminal over the victim all the time and would rather use this thread to play semantics than condemn the lowlife purp.

[ummmm]

//no one on this thread has yet condemned the murderer or shown any sympathy for the victim or his family. What a nasty lot you lefties are, you prefer to have a pop at me because I want to see justice for the victim.//

Maybe in future you should let us know in the OP what answers you want. From what I'm reading the post is about the sentence of the perpetrator...

[ummmm]

It doesn't matter what we think, TTT, we can't change the law!

[retrocop]

It would seem the accused had previously searched the difference between murder and homicide on his lap top. He then apparently was surprised and commented,"You are charging me with murder" when told by the police.
Also looked up previously ,'how to get rid of someone annoying.
That,to me, does not signify a spur of the moment reaction by this killer. A knuckle duster is quite a difficult offensive weapon to come by these days.
It does not appear suddenly by magic.
Probably this little charmer will end up like one of the Bulger killers. Throw away the key.