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Should There Be A Type Of Colour Bar In Athletics?
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Both male and female London marathon winners were Kenyan, but nothing unusual in that, since most wining athletic runners seem to be of African decent.
This goes on for me to ask this very controversial question, should there be separate sporting completions for blacks and whites.
Before most of you go off on one, just think about it, we would not think of placing males and females together, athletes with physical disabilities against those with none, and certain drugs to enhance performance are rightly not allowed.
So why are blacks who obviously outshine whites in such physical activities allowed to compete against whites on what should be after all a fair and level playing field.
This goes on for me to ask this very controversial question, should there be separate sporting completions for blacks and whites.
Before most of you go off on one, just think about it, we would not think of placing males and females together, athletes with physical disabilities against those with none, and certain drugs to enhance performance are rightly not allowed.
So why are blacks who obviously outshine whites in such physical activities allowed to compete against whites on what should be after all a fair and level playing field.
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What a very good equation.
I am not an anatomist or a physicist, but for athletics and particularly short distance sprints , there may well be a physical reason.
Eddy makes a good point about O2 saturation at high levels, but now ALL modern athletes tend to train at high levels which evens out the Africans who are born , live and have naturally, more red cells and higher O2 saturation levels.
Now....anatomically, the black African is born with a protruding heel bone (talus) to which the Achilles tendon is attached and due to the bony protuberance,compared to the white male, it forms a greater angle, making the force, acceleration and speed, greater over short distances..e.g 100,200 400 800 and 15,000 metres.
Anyone on AB eg Jim, might be able to explain this if scientific terms.
Separate athletes?.......a physical, demographic and political nightmare.
I am not an anatomist or a physicist, but for athletics and particularly short distance sprints , there may well be a physical reason.
Eddy makes a good point about O2 saturation at high levels, but now ALL modern athletes tend to train at high levels which evens out the Africans who are born , live and have naturally, more red cells and higher O2 saturation levels.
Now....anatomically, the black African is born with a protruding heel bone (talus) to which the Achilles tendon is attached and due to the bony protuberance,compared to the white male, it forms a greater angle, making the force, acceleration and speed, greater over short distances..e.g 100,200 400 800 and 15,000 metres.
Anyone on AB eg Jim, might be able to explain this if scientific terms.
Separate athletes?.......a physical, demographic and political nightmare.
I heard many years ago that much of the reason that black people are so much faster is they often have roots in African tribes and the like, many of these tribes were into cattle rustling etc, the slower tribesmen would have been captured and killed by pursuing tribes. thus only the fastest and fittest survived, hence the breeding of these genetic traits.
This was in reference to a coloured runner that was famous at the time, a long time ago and cant remember who.
This was in reference to a coloured runner that was famous at the time, a long time ago and cant remember who.
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/// Silly idea. The list of winners includes all sorts (no pun intended). ///
Male winners for the last fourteen years.
2003 Gezahegne Abera Ethiopia
2004 Evans Rutto Kenya
2005 Martin Lel Kenya
2006 Felix Limo Kenya
2007 Martin Lel Kenya
2008 Martin Lel Kenya
2009 Samuel Wanjiru Kenya
2010 Tsegaye Kebede Ethiopia
2011 Emmanuel Mutai Kenya
2012 Wilson Kipsang Kenya
2013 Tsegaye Kebede Ethiopia
2014 Wilson Kipsang Kenya
2015 Eliud Kipchoge Kenya
2016 Eliud Kipchoge Kenya
And the women winners for the last seven years.
2010 Aselefech Mergia Ethiopia
2011 Mary Keitany Kenya
2012 Mary Keitany Kenya
2013 Priscah Jeptoo Kenya
2014 Edna Kiplagat Kenya
2015 Tigist Tufa Ethiopia
2016 Jemima Sumgong Kenya
/// Silly idea. The list of winners includes all sorts (no pun intended). ///
Male winners for the last fourteen years.
2003 Gezahegne Abera Ethiopia
2004 Evans Rutto Kenya
2005 Martin Lel Kenya
2006 Felix Limo Kenya
2007 Martin Lel Kenya
2008 Martin Lel Kenya
2009 Samuel Wanjiru Kenya
2010 Tsegaye Kebede Ethiopia
2011 Emmanuel Mutai Kenya
2012 Wilson Kipsang Kenya
2013 Tsegaye Kebede Ethiopia
2014 Wilson Kipsang Kenya
2015 Eliud Kipchoge Kenya
2016 Eliud Kipchoge Kenya
And the women winners for the last seven years.
2010 Aselefech Mergia Ethiopia
2011 Mary Keitany Kenya
2012 Mary Keitany Kenya
2013 Priscah Jeptoo Kenya
2014 Edna Kiplagat Kenya
2015 Tigist Tufa Ethiopia
2016 Jemima Sumgong Kenya
By some degree - this is the most thought-provoking question this year.
However, I suspect the thoughts it's provoking aren't the ones AOG would like verbalised.
No. This idea doesn't make sense.
If we segregated black athletes from white athletes, how would countries with mixed four by four hundred metre teams compete?
Should we likewise have a separate category for Chinese gymnastics teams?
Also - what's this guff about black people being naturally better at physical pursuits?
Can anyone name any world class black swimmer?
However, I suspect the thoughts it's provoking aren't the ones AOG would like verbalised.
No. This idea doesn't make sense.
If we segregated black athletes from white athletes, how would countries with mixed four by four hundred metre teams compete?
Should we likewise have a separate category for Chinese gymnastics teams?
Also - what's this guff about black people being naturally better at physical pursuits?
Can anyone name any world class black swimmer?
Its very simple...its down to evolution and genes
it wasnt that long ago in evolutionary terms that blacks were still hunting and chasing down their food in the jungles and on the plains of africa (plenty still do)....
theyve come out of africa but those genes are still active and predominant...a few generations of western living and that will soon go...
it wasnt that long ago in evolutionary terms that blacks were still hunting and chasing down their food in the jungles and on the plains of africa (plenty still do)....
theyve come out of africa but those genes are still active and predominant...a few generations of western living and that will soon go...
//RATTER15
I heard many years ago that much of the reason that black people are so much faster is they often have roots in African tribes and the like, many of these tribes were into cattle rustling etc, the slower tribesmen would have been captured and killed by pursuing tribes. thus only the fastest and fittest survived, hence the breeding of these genetic traits.
This was in reference to a coloured runner that was famous at the time, a long time ago and cant remember who.//
If that's the case they should be blinding with a Javelin but surprisingly only Fatima Whitbread MBE springs to mind and she is London born of Cypriot parents!
I heard many years ago that much of the reason that black people are so much faster is they often have roots in African tribes and the like, many of these tribes were into cattle rustling etc, the slower tribesmen would have been captured and killed by pursuing tribes. thus only the fastest and fittest survived, hence the breeding of these genetic traits.
This was in reference to a coloured runner that was famous at the time, a long time ago and cant remember who.//
If that's the case they should be blinding with a Javelin but surprisingly only Fatima Whitbread MBE springs to mind and she is London born of Cypriot parents!
"Fatima Whitbread"
who was a woman, but looked more like a man and had the muscle mass of a man...its very very difficult for women to put on that amount of muscle mass unless they have amongst other things high testosterone levels...so make of her success as a javelin thrower what you will.....
I was training (running) at a track in Thurrock many years ago and she was also there that day training, i thought it was a bloke until somebody actually told me who it was !
who was a woman, but looked more like a man and had the muscle mass of a man...its very very difficult for women to put on that amount of muscle mass unless they have amongst other things high testosterone levels...so make of her success as a javelin thrower what you will.....
I was training (running) at a track in Thurrock many years ago and she was also there that day training, i thought it was a bloke until somebody actually told me who it was !
Retrocop "If that's the case they should be blinding with a Javelin"
Not really, only if the weaker ones were killed off as the cattle rustlers were, if you have a slow tribesmen that cant throw a spear, then he would be at the back of the attacking tribe and out harms way, and possible just hit the faster spear throwers in front of him eliminating them rather than the slower ones.
Not really, only if the weaker ones were killed off as the cattle rustlers were, if you have a slow tribesmen that cant throw a spear, then he would be at the back of the attacking tribe and out harms way, and possible just hit the faster spear throwers in front of him eliminating them rather than the slower ones.
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