Hillsborough Disaster: Fans Unlawfully Killed

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36138337

At last...the truth is out.

Some important points from the above :::

Police failures led to the deaths in the 1989 Hillsborough disaster.

Jurors answered yes to the question about whether any police error caused or contributed to a dangerous situation at the 1989 FA Cup semi-final.

The behaviour of Liverpool fans did not contribute to the dangerous situation at the turnstiles.

[anneasquith]

To all you policemen/women who ' doctored' you're note books and gave false evidence. Hang you're heads in shame. ( seems you didn't get away Scot free this time )

[mikey4444]

Baldric...I didn't know I could do that ! But I think I will leave it with crissa1.

[mikey4444]

anneasquith...well, unless notice is taken of these verdicts, and the CPS get off their butts, that is exactly what will happen.

[Mamyalynne]

Chrissa's point is perfect and says much as I feel too.

[Svejk]

As I said earlier, it's all very well sat in comfort with the benefit of hindsight pontificating on what should and shouldn't have been done.
The build-up of fans behind the LL gate happened over 10-15 minutes. The officer in charge of that gate asked for it to be opened before fans were killed in the crush outside. What would you do?

[jackthehat]

I'd have made sure that I knew exactly where the surge of fans were likely to end up......

[anneasquith]

What would you do? Tell the truth following the disaster, and don't blame everything on the fans.

[mikey4444]

The Police have now finally accepted that the Hillsborough Disaster was their fault ::::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36143891

[ummmm]

Anne has hit the nail on the head....Tell the truth.

[jomifl]

Fans were going to get killed whatever the police did. Police notebooks truthful or not didn't kill anybody.

[mikey4444]

Duckenfield admitted during the Inquest that he had lied.

[Gavmacp]

On Radio 6 news they definitely mentioned 'previous incidents' being ignored. Does anyone know what they were?

[mikey4444]

Gav...previous incidents of the Police lying, or previous incidents of football ground disasters ?

[Mamyalynne]

//Ignored warnings from history.

The Hillsborough Panel found the safety of fans admitted to the terrace at the Leppings Lane end of the ground was "compromised at every level". From the condition of the turnstiles to the management of the crowd, alterations to the terrace, the construction of the "pens" in which fans were held, the placement of the crush barriers and the access to the fateful central pens via a tunnel with a one in six gradient. The deficiencies were "well known" and made the crush on 15 April 1989 foreseeable.

According to documents disclosed to the inquiry, there was a serious crush on the terrace at the 1981 FA Cup semi-final between Tottenham Hotspur and Wolverhampton Wanderers in which "many people were injured and fatalities narrowly avoided". New documents show following that incident there was a breakdown in the relationship between Sheffield Wednesday and South Yorkshire Police, which considered the capacity of the terrace too high at 10,100.//


Source

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/sep/12/hillsborough-truth-about-causes-of-disaster

Yes I know it's an old report.

[Gavmacp]

How I read it was that there had been previous incidents at the stadium which had not been reported or not dealt with.

[Baldric]

Interesting (3 yr old) article here on previous

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/sep/12/hillsborough-truth-about-causes-of-disaster

[Gavmacp]

So why haven't the management of the stadium been mentioned? Hadn't they also had a duty of care?

[Peter Pedant]

I dunno - has NJ given an opinion ?

retro came out last night with: "the fans were drunk every one knows that"
and was nailed by umm/Anne A/ or someone.Old rumours die hard.
3T // well hang Duckenfield and be done//

erm no 3T - not because we have given up hanging but because D'field was given immunity from prosecution if he told erm the truth for a change. and he said yeah OK - what about this .....

based I think ( we have had this before ) - on a previous case of perjury involving IRA bombers and the Read Schedule. Was that Birmingham or Guildford ?
the officers who had constructed the Read Schedule including um Insp Read were enabled to lie with impunity by using the schedule and were indicted for perjury. Indictment chucked out at first hearing by Magistrate Bartells on the grounds ... erm that they couldnt have a fair trial after all that time ( 20 y ) . Police Fed cock-a-hoop ( " the least we could hope for ... " ) and onlookers were open mouthed and aware of the irony ...

what will happen now ?

not an awful lot besides 96 families can get on and mourn ...

[Peter Pedant]

// So why haven't the management of the stadium been mentioned? Hadn't they also had a duty of care?//

yes it has
and yes they did ( according to criteria of the time 1988 )

[Peter Pedant]

// Fans were going to get killed whatever the police did. Police notebooks truthful or not didn't kill anybody.//

Fans were going to get killed whatever the police did.
um no todays verdict says it was avoidable ( wh I hve known for 20y ) and so it is er not true but still very convenient to say it would have occurred whatever the police did.

Police notebooks truthful or not didn't kill anybody.
then why have them ? to tell what happened at the time.. not to get the police off the hook.
actually what no one has said is that in 2001 - there was a case at the high court over this and doctoring notes and re-writing them... and the Judge said he thought it was lawful !

we have kinda forgotten that

altho Prof Ashton was busy stabbing L J Taylor in the back today who had in his own report 1995 called Ashton a liar .....