All Britain's Fault?

[mushroom25]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3578892/We-say-sorry-creating-Israel-suggests-Labour-MP-party-continues-reel-Livingstone-s-suspension-remarks-Hitler.html

should the UK government apologise for its role in the creation of the israeli state in 1948?

[tamborine]

No. It was Brit booty from Ottomans.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/the-middle-east-1917-to-1973/palestine-1918-to-1948/

[bazwillrun]

we should apologise for creating ken livinginthepast...odious creep

[ToraToraTora]

No. More cobblers from the anti Semitic labour party.

[ToraToraTora]

It was the UN anyway, resolution 181, if we should apologise then al the UN states should apologise. More anti semitic nonsense from Labour.

[mushroom25]

true enough TTT. but if the British hadn't withdrawn from their mandate following Irgun's bombing of the King David Hotel and requested UN arbitration, resolution 181 would never have arisen.

[ToraToraTora]

yeah and if me granny had wheels she'd be a wagon.

[jno]

Britain yielded to Zionist terrorism. Still, we mustn't blame them for murdering 28 Brits, must we?

[ToraToraTora]

The UN did it, end of, no amount of anti British BS from jno and co can change that.

[jno]

it was the Zionists who were anti-British, TTT. I've never wanted to kill more than one or two. They blew them up en masse. Yet somehow people get more exercised about Muslims blowing people up than Zionists blowing people up. Why is this?

[Gromit]

We gained Palestine from the fallout from WW1 when the Ottomans lost partnering the Kaiser. But after WW2 we were bankrupt and couldn't afford an Empire. In Palestine the now wealthy Arabs saw an opportunity to expand and began attacking Jews in order to take the land for themselves.

The newly formed UN recommended partitioning Palestine into Jewish and Arab areas. However, the British failed to implement the plan, and a civil war broke out, and the Jews won territory and proclaimed their own state.

The Super Powers, the US and Russia instantly recognised the state, and Britain was out on its ear. That suited the British because they desperately wanted the problem to go away and Palestine off its hands.

In all that, there is nothing to apologise for. If anything, the Arabs and the Jews should apologise to Britain. The last laugh is with us though, they got what they wanted, and they got what they deserve.

[ToraToraTora]

" If anything, the Arabs and the Jews should apologise to Britain." - I need a lie down!

[Gromit]

UN resolution 181 did not recommend the formation of a Zionist State. It recommended partitioning the two warring factions, the Arabs and the Jews, into their own areas.

The British never implemented 181 so the civil war ensued, with the Jews capturing enough territory and then proclaim a state. The British were beaten out by terrorist attacks, disobedience and murder of British soldiers. So we have nothing to apologise for, we were the victims.

[Gromit]

Just read Ms Huq's words and she does not say we should apologise.

She says, 'yes we could apologise, but that would be a bit Tony Blair' [meaning hollow words]. And then did not support an apology.

So just the Mail trying to squeeze every last drop out of the bogus anti-semitism allegations.

[ToraToraTora]

too many examples to be bogus gromit. The first step to fixing a problem is accepting that there is a problem. You do seem in denial over this.

[Gromit]

I am sure there are some anti-semites, some racists and some misogynists in ALL the parties, not just Labour.

However, the examples that have surfaced, Naz Shah, Ken Livingstone and now Ms Huq, they said nothing that was anti-semitic. The charges against them are bogus, truped up by Lynton Crosby and seized upon by disloyal Blairite MPs.

I do not accept there is a big problem with anti-semitism in Labour because the evidence is not there.

Often said, but here goes again - being anti Israel Foreign Policy is not being anti Jew or anti semitic. Labour people see the plight of the Palestinians and cannot stay silent. Our Governments (Labour as well as Conservative) might encourage Israeli atrocities by vetoing any condemnation of them, or abstaining, but many people see Israeli military action as out of proportion or even the actions of a rogue state.

[Togo]

// but many people see Israeli military action as out of proportion or even the actions of a rogue state.//

Who? Let me guess. Not hamas or hezbollah perhaps.

[naomi24]

Everything else seems to be Britain's fault, so why not this? No, we shouldn't apologise. It's an utterly pointless exercise. What's done is done, Israel is established - and it isn't going anywhere.

[Khandro]

Since biblical times, the Jews occupied the territory; long before the British, or in fact the Muslims, so it was more a case of returning it to them.

[naomi24]

Khandro, How far do you want to go back?

[bazwillrun]

A massive part of the problem is jealousy....the jews turned a chunk of desert into a 1st world technological and advanced country in a few decades...whereas the arabs/palestinians etc had done exactly what with the area for the past couple of thousand years ?..answers on the back of a stamp please