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Another Murderous Savage Gets Away With It.....
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Stabbed to death? how is that not murder?
what is going on with our judiciary? why do they get conned all the time?
Cue the FOCS to explain why the old man blocked the knife using his chest!
Stabbed to death? how is that not murder?
what is going on with our judiciary? why do they get conned all the time?
Cue the FOCS to explain why the old man blocked the knife using his chest!
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TTT - //an innocent man dies because we have a mental case driving a car with possession of a knife. Care to comment on the unlucky sod that could have been any of us Andy? //
What sort of comment do you want me to make TTT?
The tragedy of this situation cannot be underestimated, but to bandy words and phrases like 'mental case' around only demonstrates your own deeply held fear and prejudice about an illness that affects a third of the adult population at some time in their lives.
You need to hope and pray that such an illness will never reach you, because then you will be a 'mental case' - whatever will you do then!!!
Maybe rely on the compassion and support from the society around you, that you clearly don't feel able to offer from your position of ignorance and absence of empathy.
Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else.
What sort of comment do you want me to make TTT?
The tragedy of this situation cannot be underestimated, but to bandy words and phrases like 'mental case' around only demonstrates your own deeply held fear and prejudice about an illness that affects a third of the adult population at some time in their lives.
You need to hope and pray that such an illness will never reach you, because then you will be a 'mental case' - whatever will you do then!!!
Maybe rely on the compassion and support from the society around you, that you clearly don't feel able to offer from your position of ignorance and absence of empathy.
Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else.
AG - //AH - I was thinking about the same exchange of posts last week!
Anyway, mental health issues are not to be underestimated. From reading this, could the death have been prevented I wonder? //
I believe it could - if an appropriate diagnosis and treatment were available to this man in advance of this tragedy, but sadly our overstretched health system falls short in such situations depressingly often - through the fault of inadequate resourcing and budgets.
Anyway, mental health issues are not to be underestimated. From reading this, could the death have been prevented I wonder? //
I believe it could - if an appropriate diagnosis and treatment were available to this man in advance of this tragedy, but sadly our overstretched health system falls short in such situations depressingly often - through the fault of inadequate resourcing and budgets.
"What sort of comment do you want me to make TTT?" -perhaps acknowldege the message rather than atacking the messanger
"You need to hope and pray that such an illness will never reach you, because then you will be a 'mental case' - whatever will you do then!!!" - it has but society does not afford me carte blanche to excuse any behaviour
"Maybe rely on the compassion and support from the society around you, that you clearly don't feel able to offer from your position of ignorance and absence of empathy." - flawed assumptions aside, society cannot have it both ways.
"Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else. " - yes you have told us about your own issues before.
"You need to hope and pray that such an illness will never reach you, because then you will be a 'mental case' - whatever will you do then!!!" - it has but society does not afford me carte blanche to excuse any behaviour
"Maybe rely on the compassion and support from the society around you, that you clearly don't feel able to offer from your position of ignorance and absence of empathy." - flawed assumptions aside, society cannot have it both ways.
"Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else. " - yes you have told us about your own issues before.
TTT - // You need to hope and pray that such an illness will never reach you, because then you will be a 'mental case' - whatever will you do then!!!" - it has but society does not afford me carte blanche to excuse any behaviour //
No-one expects society to offer claret blanche to 'excuse any behaviour' but society does acknowledge that mental illness can lead to unacceptable behaviour, sometimes, as here, with tragic results. It does not excuse such behaviour - if it did, this man would be walking the streets now.
//Maybe rely on the compassion and support from the society around you, that you clearly don't feel able to offer from your position of ignorance and absence of empathy." - flawed assumptions aside, society cannot have it both ways. //
Where is my assumption, and where is it flawed? I am responding directly to the post you have written - I am not assuming anything.
//Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else. " - yes you have told us about your own issues before. //
Nasty - but in keeping with the general thrust of your position.
No-one expects society to offer claret blanche to 'excuse any behaviour' but society does acknowledge that mental illness can lead to unacceptable behaviour, sometimes, as here, with tragic results. It does not excuse such behaviour - if it did, this man would be walking the streets now.
//Maybe rely on the compassion and support from the society around you, that you clearly don't feel able to offer from your position of ignorance and absence of empathy." - flawed assumptions aside, society cannot have it both ways. //
Where is my assumption, and where is it flawed? I am responding directly to the post you have written - I am not assuming anything.
//Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else. " - yes you have told us about your own issues before. //
Nasty - but in keeping with the general thrust of your position.
// Diminshed responsibility due to chronic mental health problems has long been a valid defence to a charge of murder.
//
thank god hc knows a bit about the Law
//TTT - have you read your own link? // A-H
haha andie you ask the stupidest questions , of course he didnt !
another mouth frothing belter from 3T !
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thank god hc knows a bit about the Law
//TTT - have you read your own link? // A-H
haha andie you ask the stupidest questions , of course he didnt !
another mouth frothing belter from 3T !
Peter Pedant - //yeah too often 'care in the community' is
lack of care in the community //
I am sorry to agree that the notion of 'care in the community' is another government buzz phrase on which to hang the on-going demolition of psychiatric facilities in the country, and replacing them with underfunded and unsuitable 'community' placements instead.
'Care in the community' doesn't work for one very good reason - there are too many people like TTT in the community - who simply don't care.
lack of care in the community //
I am sorry to agree that the notion of 'care in the community' is another government buzz phrase on which to hang the on-going demolition of psychiatric facilities in the country, and replacing them with underfunded and unsuitable 'community' placements instead.
'Care in the community' doesn't work for one very good reason - there are too many people like TTT in the community - who simply don't care.
"TTT - 'Another Murderous Savage ...'?
I don't think so!!! "
my "murderous" savage comment was aimed at the perpetrator not you
"Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else. " - so the ignorant and bigoted here is not meant to me me then but the murderer?
I don't think so!!! "
my "murderous" savage comment was aimed at the perpetrator not you
"Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else. " - so the ignorant and bigoted here is not meant to me me then but the murderer?
I wouldn't dare to speak for anyone else but I think the point is that however horrific this killing is (and it is) - we have to realise how the circumstances came about.
Families blown apart because help could not be gained, to me that makes it all the more sad.
No one wants to see a return to all people with mental issues locked away Bedlam style, but to beg for help and not get it is shameful.
Families blown apart because help could not be gained, to me that makes it all the more sad.
No one wants to see a return to all people with mental issues locked away Bedlam style, but to beg for help and not get it is shameful.
TTT - //"Care in the community' doesn't work for one very good reason - there are too many people like TTT in the community - who simply don't care. " - so are you advocating some sort of adopt a loony scheme? //
Obviously our views are simply too far apart to find any common ground on which to debate.
I think mental illness a serious issue - clearly from your last post, you think it is mater for flippancy and provocation.
So I will stand aside and see if the rest of the AB community can provide you with a discussion - if indeed that is actually want you want here.
Obviously our views are simply too far apart to find any common ground on which to debate.
I think mental illness a serious issue - clearly from your last post, you think it is mater for flippancy and provocation.
So I will stand aside and see if the rest of the AB community can provide you with a discussion - if indeed that is actually want you want here.
TTT - //Question Author
"TTT - 'Another Murderous Savage ...'?
I don't think so!!! "
my "murderous" savage comment was aimed at the perpetrator not you //
I am quite aware of that - but it does make it any more accurate, or valid.
"Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else. " - so the ignorant and bigoted here is not meant to me me then but the murderer? //
Of course it is!
He is a victim of his illness, and the failure of society to diagnose, treat and support him means that, in his ludic moments, he must know that his permanent incarceration is because of what he has done. Similarly the family of his victim must know that their loved one would be alive if the proper care and treatment systems were in place in advance of this tragedy.
You simply take a view that he is a 'murdering' savage' when clearly - as the law has concluded - he is actually neither.
This cross-posted with my confirmation that I am absenting myself from this debate - and as such is my last word on the subject.
"TTT - 'Another Murderous Savage ...'?
I don't think so!!! "
my "murderous" savage comment was aimed at the perpetrator not you //
I am quite aware of that - but it does make it any more accurate, or valid.
"Oh, and in case you are in any doubt, mental illness is a great leveller - it attacks the ignorant and bigoted just as easily as anyone else. " - so the ignorant and bigoted here is not meant to me me then but the murderer? //
Of course it is!
He is a victim of his illness, and the failure of society to diagnose, treat and support him means that, in his ludic moments, he must know that his permanent incarceration is because of what he has done. Similarly the family of his victim must know that their loved one would be alive if the proper care and treatment systems were in place in advance of this tragedy.
You simply take a view that he is a 'murdering' savage' when clearly - as the law has concluded - he is actually neither.
This cross-posted with my confirmation that I am absenting myself from this debate - and as such is my last word on the subject.
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