Could Project Fear Backfire?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36362047
JimmyK may have a point here.

[Jackdaw33]

A very interesting comment from the poison dwarf. Food for thought.

[DTCwordfan]

No, cos the Ins should increasingly focus on the benefits of being In - though realism about being out will come home as well....funny how most of the economists are in agreement over Britain risking a major economic shock - wake up - it's already begun, look at how inward investment has been collapsing despite the e.r. falling back.

[jourdain2]

Yes, it could (and I very much hope it will). I think they've brought their big battalions on line too early. Apart from a 'plague of frogs and locusts' where can they go from here? People are already getting bored My earnest hope is that only the committed will go to the polls. I will put my bet on tomorrow - must go to LAW to see if anyone has told me the best odds against Brexit.

[New Judge]

"No, cos the Ins should increasingly focus on the benefits of being In - "

Well that shouldn't occupy them for too long.

It's interesting that the emphasis is on the alleged economic threats. The democratic threat that the EU poses is a far greater concern.

[jourdain2]

People are short-sighted NJ and, unfortunately, focus on what most occupies at them at the moment.

[Quizproquo]

I want to stay in and for me it's nothing to do with immigration, taxation, dilution of culture or any of that other nonsense. It's about having the last bastion of fair treatment for blue collar low earning workers.
Without the EU there will be no voice left at all and that puts us all in a vulnerable position.
Overbearing unions of the 70s were dreadful, I don't dispute that, but workers need to have some basic rights and without the EU I'm not sure that England at least would always provide them. That scares me more that Syrians moving in next door to be honest.

[tonyav]

Some unions back Brexit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3597887/Unions-backing-Brexit-condemn-workers-rights-myth.html

[Togo]

//It's about having the last bastion of fair treatment for blue collar low earning workers. Without the EU there will be no voice left at all and that puts us all in a vulnerable position.//

Who are the big trades unions in the EUSSR? Where were they when Blair imported cheap labour to take British blue collar jobs? I don't remember them or your own unions making a peep. Still as long as the "officials" are comfy.

[Hopkirk]

Quizproquo, you express worries for lower paid workers.

Well it is the huge inflow of low skilled workers that is depressing the wage rates of those very workers that you worry about.

[grumpy01]

Whole problem is they or we just don't know what would happen.Instead of this claim and counter claim politicing we could all benefit from more concrete information so that we could make an informed decision rather than just a gut feeling, which is where most of us are at the moment.

[Quizproquo]

Actually Hopkirk it's not them, it's a system that actually encourages them.
I don't blame the workers, I blame a blinkered government who uses the situation to its advantage on the quiet whilst spouting useless rhetoric about how it cares for decent hardworking families.

[jourdain2]

As in the old days, workers would fight for themselves - as does everybody. We always did. Not a big problem, more a reshuffle of approach.

[askyourgran]

Yes nothing the Ins can say now would change my mind. Cameron was wrong from the start, bullying and pushing his agenda, using the taxpayers money to fund the Remain leaflet. Maybe if he had been neutral and given his views with less belligerence I might have listened.

[Togo]

We can vote a British Government out of office. You won't vote the EUSSR out of office. But we can vote to get the hell out, and choose an administration that does what it promises. In this gangster set up they can carry on using the "our hands are tied" excuse.

[Quizproquo]

No you wouldn't Askyourgran and the leave leaflet was publicly funded too.

[askyourgran]

I certainly wouldn't want to stay in the EU quidpro. There was an outcry regarding the expenditure of Remain leaflet, I am not aware of the cost of the Brexit one only that it was only fair that there should be funds for it after Cameron had arranged his.
You speak as if you have only ever lived through EU strictures, we have our own Parliament and rights. How do you feel about migrants arriving here from countries whose wages in their own country is £1 per hour, no I wouldn't blame them, but we need to set up a properly thought out system of allowing certain numbers, instead if waiting for Frau Merkel to tell us we have to take all comers. The EU is not the be all and end all it is the last bastion of hell as far as I see it. We have always had our own laws to look after the low paid, unions are there for them. I find it insulting that you feel that fair play is only found in the EU. Our own paid workers won't get a look in if The EU allows the poorer countries like Turkey, Armenia and the rest, they will be here on the next boat if not already here, driving down the wages.

[Jackdaw33]

You tell 'em, Granny!

[Old_Geezer]

It's not just simple fear they use though is it. On the radio yesterday morning I was listening to a discussion where there were claims that generations to come need to know of other cultures and to experience diversity; as if one can't be aware of cultures diversity whilst being outside of the EU; or that there isn't enough diversity on the high street already.

The tactic seems to be to imply that an issue that is irrelevant to the 'remain'/'escape' discussion is important, and claim it is a 'remain' advantage when 'remain' doesn't give you any advantage regarding the offered issue at all. It's about spreading confusion, trying to put into public minds that there are specific things that will be lost when that mentioned won't be lost at all, and in any case neither 'remain' nor 'freedom' sides have different effects. It's taking irrelevance and claiming it is an argument in their favour. And certain sections of the community are naive enough to just accept it without consideration, and lap it up if the comments made were anything to go by.

This is the problem with not nipping a deception in the bud and exposing it the moment it is tried, but instead being daft enough to argue against it as if it had value; effectively fooling those listening into believing that it was something worth discussing.

[youngmafbog]

The Government has continually used tax payers money to push Project Fear.

However, in a couple of days they will be prevented from doing that. Then the palying field may even up.