Prison Islam Course 'could Turn Prisoners To Violence'

[naomi24]

//A manual used by imams to teach prison inmates about Islam risks "turning people into jihadis", a cleric says.

Sheikh Musa Admani told the BBC the Tarbiyah programme, used in English and Welsh prisons since 2011, could turn people towards violence and should be withdrawn.

"It incites people to take up arms... It prepares people for violence. It could turn people when they come out of prison, supposedly rehabilitated, back into violence."//

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36419430

One of the co-authors, Ahtsham Ali, is a prisons advisor to the Ministry of Justice.

Who has been watching the watchers? No one it seems. The powers that be really are that stupid!

[webbo3]

I saw this on the news and they said the muslims are operating sharia law in the prison, beating prisons feet I think I heard.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7050265/extremists-make-jail-a-no-go-zone.html



Dave.

[agchristie]

One would have to assume that the MoJ does not accept the advice given to them by this chap or did accept it and are, at best, monitoring the situation until such time they accept that there is a link.

Five years is a long time if they were going to act.

[EDDIE51]

Having worked inside a prison I know for a fact that a much higher % of prisoners are Muslim than would be expected from the % of Muslims in the general population. It is well over 25% and as much as 40% in some jails.
Once in prison these Muslim prisoners are under a lot of pressure to conform to what the few 'hardliners', who are likely to be radical Muslims, tell them.
The literature used for Muslim education/ information is mainly translated from Arabic. Very few if any 'mainstream' prison officials speak any Arabic at all. So the books available for imprisoned Muslims are translated by 'official' interpreters who again are most likely radical Muslims. They can put their own interpretation on the text they translate.
Arabic is not like another European language such as German or French for example, it has few direct 'one to one' specific definitions of a word, it also has far more words than any European language. To be considered fluent in a European language you need to know around 3,000 words, to be considered fluent in Arabic you need to know at least 50,000 words ( I also used to house share in Saudi Arabia with an English man who was an official Arabic / English translator for ARAMCO the Saudi national oil corporation and even translated for the Saudi oil minister)
All this means that it is all but impossible for the prison authorities to actually be aware of what the original documents used to produce the English translations of Muslim really say.
Really good fluent Arabic / English translators are few and far between and they earn a fortune, over £2000 an hour according to my ex house mate !
The prison authorities can't afford to employ them when an Iman will offer do it free! (and of course put his own bias on the translation)
I do not know the solution to the problem but what I have said sums it up!

[EDDIE51]

Typo sorry 5th from last line
'English translations for Muslims really say'

[Old_Geezer]

40% eh. Is the food better if you are Muslim ?

[EDDIE51]

Food for Muslims is a major headache for prison catering staff. They have a budget of under £2 a person a day to prepare 3 hot meals. Muslims can not be served pork which is the cheapest meat. When it is bacon for breakfast there is always a push too be behind a Muslim in the canteen queue. The Muslim will refuse his portion of bacon so the man behind gets offered it as an extra!

[jourdain2]

Jolly good!

[agchristie]

I think Sheikh Admani is fighting a losing battle. This is from 2006 :-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5411172.stm

[naomi24]

Eddie. //The literature used for Muslim education/ information is mainly translated from Arabic. //

This is not.

[naomi24]

agchristie, and now the President of the National Union of Students is some potty, lefty, Muslim crackpot. What hope?

[agchristie]

Bereft of hope Naomi on so many levels.

[Khandro]

It's even worse than that, the British taxpayers are giving large sums as fees to imams to visit Muslims in British prisons and are radicalising them. I have posted details previously on another thread and can't at the moment find it, but this is part mentioned here;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691277/Imams-working-British-prisons-links-extremist-Muslim-groups.html

[naomi24]

Me too. I read people prattling on about the wonders of multiculturalism, etc, etc., and expounding their claimed experiences in one area or another - all of it to the trained eye clearly utter garbage - and how frigging depressing it all is.

[naomi24]

*That was to agchristie.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I posted something similar here....

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1492326.html

It received scant response.

[agchristie]

Yes, Naomi, I was very surprised at the lack of reaction on your earlier thread...

[naomi24]

I'm not. It will never happen - until it happens.