Gib Votes To Stay !

[mikey4444]

Just heard on the news that Gibraltar voted 96% in favour of staying in the EU...can't find a link though !

[Jackdaw33]

Old news. Gib was a special case re relations with Spain.

[tonyav]

Here you go, mikey ( not that it makes any difference though )
https://euobserver.com/tickers/133976

[Old_Geezer]

It was something like that. Hardly surprising. They are thinking of themselves and how they will cope if Spain decides to be a B and close the border or be more awkward some other way. One can forgive them for not thinking of Britain, rather than themselves, in those circumstances.

[DTCwordfan]

Yep..Good old Gib and 2 fingers to Spain. The way things are going, could we see the Peninsular War when the Spanish invade? Argies to follow with the Malvinas....

[tonyav]

I was disappointed that only 68% of voters in my neck of the woods voted out though.
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-result-walsall-votes-to-leave-with-huge-majority/

[Togo]

//"Gibraltar will never pay a sovereignty price for access to a market. Gibraltar will never be Spanish, in whole, in part or at all," Gibraltar's chief minister Fabian Picardo said.//

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/livecoverage/eu-referendum/lc-AAhqVMh

[retrocop]

Quite frankly I am shocked and amazed at Gibralterians. The two I know (one formerly a Major in the Royal Engineers and an old guy in my local have always hated the Spanish and their attempts to take the Rock from us. They always appreciated HMG's government to refuse the Spanish ownership and cede the Rock. They always claimed to be loyal British subjects. So much for loyalty.
Oh well. No more RN ships to fend off harassing Spanish pirates and fishermen !

[Hypognosis]

Do Gibraltarians literally commute across the border daily, to jobs in Spain? They had a spot of awkwardness at the border controls, earlier this year, didn't they?

Oh and some shenanigans with Spanish vessels in the harbour?

Will old echoes of faded Empires continue forever or will outposts like Ceuta, Gibraltar etc. be melded back into their nearest/most logical geographical neighbour?

(Not the Falklands though. No surrender!) :D

[Hypognosis]

^^^
DTC was last post when I started drafting.

[Jackdaw33]

It's a bit more complicated than that, Retro. With the UK out of the EU the Spanish could turn nasty.

[ummmm]

I was in Gibraltar a few years ago but stayed just over the border in Spain. It was mainly the Spanish at the border getting into GIB for the cheap booze and fags.

[Hypognosis]

@Ummmm

Eh? Spanish cigs used to be dirt cheap. 1/3 the price of UK because they had next to no duty on them. Have there been big hikes in duty in Spain, since the 90s, say? Duty free shopping makes sense.

[retrocop]

I recall it was a dinner party argument between Spain and Gib always. OUR GIB friend resented the Spanish claim to the Rock.Our Spanish friend claimed more work was done on the rock by the Spaniards.Our Gib guest replied because we pay you better than Spain does!! It went on all night consistently. Enough to drive the hosts to drink . :-)

[Khandro]

I seem to remember that Gibraltar was bought, fairly and squarely, from a handful of fishermen who lived there. Though I can't be bothered to search.
The biggest problem for the EU is Spanish held Ceuta on the African side, anyone gaining access, and many do, is technically in the EU.

[ummmm]

Hypo...fags are still cheap in Spain but not as cheap as GIB. They used to go across the border with rucksacks and fill up with them.

[Hypognosis]

If they could get wealthy Spanish folk to systematically buy back all the privately owned properties and landholdings at current market rates it would then be a matter of pricing up all government buildings and infrastructure.

When the whole place and all its "added value" (centuries' worth) has been been bought up, then they can have it back (whereupon landvalues will drop to standard "in Spain" levels, heh heh).

[DTCwordfan]

the patrol boats (hardly ships) that we have there in Gib will be needed back here to cover UK waters as to all 'les hommes d'est et sud' the French 'send' over La Manche or to keep the Spanish fisherrapists out of our share of it. Gib is exposed to what Madrid wants as a baboon with sore red buttocks.

[zebo]

Not only do the Spaniards travel to Gibraltar to shop, Britons living on the Cosa Del Sol travel to shop at Morrisons! The Spanish border guards search many of the bags on returning and hold people up for spite.We were there a couple of years back, having lived there about 40 years ago when the border was closed, seemed odd to park in La Linea and walk across the border.

[Lynn_M]

Then it's time to let Gib go and let Spain govern them

[Old_Geezer]

Right, because now we have shown we have the courage to go it alone and not be pushed around, it's the idea time to cave in and let anyone who covets anything we have to take it from us.