Hilary Benn Sacked

[Gromit]

For trying to oust Corbyn.
Corbyn faces no confidence vote of Labour MPs.
It would be funny that Labour are imploding if it wasn't at such a serious time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539

The present Labour MPs seem incredibly out of touch with voters. Labour voters voted for Brexit in vast numbers particularly in Labour heartlands, the North East, Wales. Yet they nearly all Labour MPs are pro EU. They don't seemed to learned from their annilation in Scotland, and give voters what they want.

Are the Labour Party finished?

[dannyk13]

Just one problem Mikey.I don't understand what you are saying.

[Svejk]

I'd love for mikey to get his wish. It would herald the biggest, probably terminal, disaster of all time for the Labour party.

[jim360]

Meanwhile... Cameron has resigned, Osborne has disappeared, and none of their potential successors is exactly stepping up to the plate. The Tory party's in a bit of a mess, too.

It seems perhaps incredible that the vote on Thursday is now in the process of destroying the very parliament it was supposed to be a vote of confidence in.

[Marshwarble]

Do you just hate party disasters?

[Svejk]

Yes, jim, and hopefully a new, more representative kind of Parliament will emerge.
I'm sure you'd agree, a good 'shaking up' won't do it any harm.

[naomi24]

Jim, a change of prime minister mid-term is not unknown – and don’t forget this change isn’t coming as a result of a vote of ‘No Confidence’ – it’s the current Prime Minister’s decision; changes in the Labour party are pretty much irrelevant; an outsider party gaining support is no reason to call an election; we don’t need a different government to make decisions on another referendum for Scotland if that’s what the Scots want; and the official lines of all parties (apart from UKIP) with regard to the EU referendum were in tandem. I see no valid reason to call for another General Election.

[jim360]

I guess it could lead to that sort of thing, yes.

[jim360]

I think the best way to put it for me Naomi is that I don't think an early General Election is inevitable, but I *do* think it's highly likely.

Not least because the current lot of MPs are about 2/3rds in favour of remaining in the EU. That sets up a nasty clash between direct and representative democracy given the result on Thursday.

[naomi24]

Jim,//Not least because the current lot of MPs are about 2/3rds in favour of remaining in the EU. //

So what difference would an election make? A new government (unless it's formed by UKIP, which is highly unlikely) would still be in favour of remaining in the EU. From that point of view nothing would change. The government would still be at odds with the majority of the electorate on that issue.

[jim360]

Wouldn't it depend on who stood for election? After all, there is at least one enthusiastically Brexit party that can field candidates, and with so many incumbent MPs potentially standing up saying, "I'm sorry but I don't believe in Brexit" it could even be the bloodiest election in history in terms of seats changing hands.

[naomi24]

... In fact if it were a Labour government it would be even more at odds with the electorate than the current government is. There were very few dissenters among the Labour ranks.

[Zacs-Master]

Vive la revolution

[naomi24]

Jim, //it could even be the bloodiest election in history in terms of seats changing hands. //

In that case, would creating more turmoil be a wise thing at the moment?

[jim360]

It might be better to have all the turmoil as soon as possible rather than to drag it out.

At any rate, I don't look forward to the next few months.

[Zacs-Master]

There's plenty of turmoil to come. 80,000 pages of EU legislation to trawl thru for a start. Consultations with op the people we've now, largely, alienated but maybe not those who may follow suit. A new conservative leader to elect. A new labour leader to elect. Debate over whether there should be a general election. By elections due to sackings and resignations. And that's without the possibility of the Gov't ignoring the result.

[murraymints]

general election now would be mad....we need to settle down and live a bit...Jim..if you care to nominate me for Edinburgh seat I would stand..seem to be the voice of reason up here !

[naomi24]

Jim, //It might be better to have all the turmoil as soon as possible rather than to drag it out. //

The only turmoil is in the fact that the electorate have voted against the government's wishes - and had it been a Labour government the electorate would have voted against its wishes too. Rather than fan the flames it has to be wiser to allow the current government to deal with what has happened, and let things settle.

[paddyk]

On this issue,I feel that the Labour Party are out of touch with many of their supporters, particularly in the north of England. I have been a lifelong Labour voter (as have all my family) and we all voted to leave the EU. Like so many, we felt that long term it would be better for the UK. Well done everyone for taking our country back. Calls for a second referendum are nonsense - the people have spoken. In a democracy, you can't just call another election because you didn't like the result of the first one. What planet are these people living on ?

[Zacs-Master]

Let things settle! That's possibly the most naive thing I've heard you say N.

[Gromit]

// By-elections due to sackings and resignations. //

No one is going to resign their seat. They are sacked/resigned from their jobs not their Party and seat.