Any Reason Why You Won't Vote Ukip?

[Marshwarble]

It seems the majority agree with their view.

[Old_Geezer]

Whilst the stated aim of UKIP was to get a referendum, no one in UKIP then campaigned for remain so clearly there was an underlying goal of leaving. Since we haven't left yet (in fact the government hasn't even started proceedings) UKIP clearly still has a role.

After we leave, whether it still has a role on not will depend on whether it changes to become a party with a wider remit or not.

[mikey4444]

OG...UKIP is a box of mad frogs.

They were just about able to get themselves together over one issue, but the notion that they can open up and be become a more rounded, multi-faceted Party is hardly believable.

[Garaman]

I would imagine that UKIP will be replaced by UKIE (UK in Europe) party, which will probably be lead by Boris who will see it as the best way to get into Number 10.

[Jackdaw33]

Not the only party as mad as a box of frogs:

https://en.gravatar.com/userimage/76531573/e6e8cdb5449846860387e1cf186547ff.jpg

[Old_Geezer]

It had to take whatever it could get. All career politicians would want to join established parties. It would be difficult to get over that stage, but not impossible. But even if they don't survive post exit (or exit-like betrayal) they are still a voice until then at least.

[mikey4444]

Garaman....with UKIP, anything is possible ?

[mikey4444]

It seems that UKIP have come along way since 2010 !

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/23/the-ukip-politices-disowned-by-nigel-farage

Or have they ?

[naomi24]

UKIP has achieved what it set out to do - and it was a huge achievement. Credit to them.

[Togo]

//Opposition to wind farms. There's no explanation as to why, or what other sustainable energy resource we should turn to//

Perhaps they are concerned about a steady predictably wind supply, Perhaps you can solve that for them sp. Haha.
I think you need a little tete a tete with mikey regarding libraries and a good old fashioned socialist approach.
Be nice to see lego heads locked together.(^_*)

[Marshwarble]

Credit to them?

I would say we're indebted to them, yes.

[dannyk13]

Ukip is a one man band and now the bandmaster has resigned.

[Garaman]

UKIP was formed by those unhappy with the results of a democratic referendum, and of course it achieved its aim in overturning the result. There is bound to be a political challenge to Brexit, either by trying to prevent it in the short term or by trying to overturn it in the long term. Should they be successful it will be interesting to see if some on this board give them credit or call them poor losers.

[Old_Geezer]

Surely only resigned as leader.

[naomi24]

//UKIP was formed by those unhappy with the results of a democratic referendum//

Garaman, //UKIP was formed by those unhappy with the results of a democratic referendum//

Not so. The referendum on whether we should leave the Common Market, as it was then, took place in 1973. Ukip wasn’t founded until 1993, by which time the Common Market had been replaced with something that the electorate hadn’t bargained for – hence the result of the referendum in 2016.

[naomi24]

*Ukip wasn’t founded until 1993* ... 1991.

[ichkeria]

"Ukip is a one man band and now the bandmaster has resigned. "

Not so much a one-man band perhaps as an embarrassing orchestra of amateur players with a very charismatic and rather autocratic bandleader.
They are probably finished without him as a credible political force. What the referendum did show was that in the manner of wanting "Independence" the UK is far from united (no Farage victory speeches in Glasgow or Aberdeen or Belfast I noticed :- ) )

[Garaman]

What is not true about that, Naomi? Alan Sked formed what became UKIP because he wasn't happy about being taken into Europe.

[Bertrum]

But he still won

[Garaman]

Yes, he did, Bertrum, I am just wondering whether those who would like to overturn this vote (I am not one btw) would be afforded the same credit if they won.

[naomi24]

Garaman, you said it was founded by those unhappy with the result of a democratic referendum. It wasn’t. It was founded almost 20 years after the first referendum and arose from concern about the imposition upon this country of ever-increasing rules, regulations, and control, none of which was envisaged by the electorate at the time of the original referendum. They voted on the Common Market – not on what it became.