Am I Right To Be Feeling This Way?
Family Life1 min ago
Four Million Voted For Ukip At The Last General Election
Remember the refrain we heard ad nauseam after UKIP got four million votes, but that didn't result in much of the way of seats in the General Election.
Many on AB pointed out that the voices of these four million should be heard.
They had a point, although under our electoral system - nothing could be done.
This being the case, should we tell the 15 million who voted to remain in the EU to shush, in the same way we told the four million UKIP voters to like it or lump it?
Many on AB pointed out that the voices of these four million should be heard.
They had a point, although under our electoral system - nothing could be done.
This being the case, should we tell the 15 million who voted to remain in the EU to shush, in the same way we told the four million UKIP voters to like it or lump it?
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I suppose it depends on what they are being asked to "shut up" about. Leave voters have to accept that, unless circumstance
18:05 Tue 12th Jul 2016
@ichkeria
I may have picked up clues to your nationality from threads of the past but, if I was a noob here, I would still be left with the conclusion that English is your second language.
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ichkeria
'4 million voted for a party who by their own admission were Turkeys ... '
I agree that that could be misinterpreted, but only by careless reading :-)
20:13 Tue 12th Jul 2016Report
ichkeria
The 'who' can only mean 'the party' not the voters.
20:14 Tue 12th Jul 2016Report
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(Political) Party is an impersonal noun. "Who" implies a person or persons (other languages might not care less about this distinction, or might give impersonal nouns a gender, which may trip up translation software).
"…a party which, by their own admission…" or
"…a party that, by their own admission…"
Like I said, O_G and I "misread" your wording for exactly the same reason.
I may have picked up clues to your nationality from threads of the past but, if I was a noob here, I would still be left with the conclusion that English is your second language.
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ichkeria
'4 million voted for a party who by their own admission were Turkeys ... '
I agree that that could be misinterpreted, but only by careless reading :-)
20:13 Tue 12th Jul 2016Report
ichkeria
The 'who' can only mean 'the party' not the voters.
20:14 Tue 12th Jul 2016Report
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(Political) Party is an impersonal noun. "Who" implies a person or persons (other languages might not care less about this distinction, or might give impersonal nouns a gender, which may trip up translation software).
"…a party which, by their own admission…" or
"…a party that, by their own admission…"
Like I said, O_G and I "misread" your wording for exactly the same reason.
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@sp1814
//This being the case, should we tell the 15 million who voted to remain in the EU to shush, in the same way we told the four million UKIP voters to like it or lump it?//
No, but we could ask them to move to the territory where their beloved political system and its currency prevails, where they'll at least be out of earshot, much like the way people occasionally implore those AB contributors, espousing vaguely socialist goals, to move to a (widely known to be) communist country.
I mean, we could do with 15 million empty properties to house all these Anglophile refugees.
//This being the case, should we tell the 15 million who voted to remain in the EU to shush, in the same way we told the four million UKIP voters to like it or lump it?//
No, but we could ask them to move to the territory where their beloved political system and its currency prevails, where they'll at least be out of earshot, much like the way people occasionally implore those AB contributors, espousing vaguely socialist goals, to move to a (widely known to be) communist country.
I mean, we could do with 15 million empty properties to house all these Anglophile refugees.
I'm getting a bit fed up with this drivel, about UKIP polling 4 million votes but only getting 1 MP.
The Green Party polled 1,156,149 votes, but still managed to get 1 MP.
In 2015, Plaid Cymru only polled 181,704 votes, but managed to get 3 MPs.
The SNP only polled 1,454,436 votes but managed to get 56 MPs !
So why should UKIP be made a "special case" ?
The reality here is that if UKIP really was more popular, it would have kept hold of both pre-Election MPs, instead of losing 1, and would have picked up a few more MPS, including a seat for its Leader.
UKIP is rather like vegetarianism...it enthuses but doesn't really persuade.
The Green Party polled 1,156,149 votes, but still managed to get 1 MP.
In 2015, Plaid Cymru only polled 181,704 votes, but managed to get 3 MPs.
The SNP only polled 1,454,436 votes but managed to get 56 MPs !
So why should UKIP be made a "special case" ?
The reality here is that if UKIP really was more popular, it would have kept hold of both pre-Election MPs, instead of losing 1, and would have picked up a few more MPS, including a seat for its Leader.
UKIP is rather like vegetarianism...it enthuses but doesn't really persuade.
I am not a disaffected UKIP supporter, but you must admit that
// The SNP only polled 1,454,436 votes but managed to get 56 MPs //
while UKIP only managed 1 MP from 3,960,000 votes.
While kind of just about being democratic, it proves the present Westminster voting system is unrepresentative, leaving many voters disenfranchised.
The present system is highly biased toward the Conservatives and Labour, so it will never change.
// The SNP only polled 1,454,436 votes but managed to get 56 MPs //
while UKIP only managed 1 MP from 3,960,000 votes.
While kind of just about being democratic, it proves the present Westminster voting system is unrepresentative, leaving many voters disenfranchised.
The present system is highly biased toward the Conservatives and Labour, so it will never change.
Gromit....Plaid Cymru and the SNP are neither Labour or Tory, but managed to get some MPs out of our "unrepresentative voting system" which was my point.
If a tiny political party like PC can get its act into gear, so can UKIP.
If Farage had had any sense, he would have concentrated his fire on a few dozen constituencies, where UKIP might have had a chance, instead of running around the whole pitch like a bad-organised little boys football team, desperately trying to score a goal somewhere or other.
Anyway, UKIP are now like a dead whale that has washed up on one of beaches....nobody seems to know quite what to do with it and while we continue to ponder that question, it is giving off an almighty stink.
If a tiny political party like PC can get its act into gear, so can UKIP.
If Farage had had any sense, he would have concentrated his fire on a few dozen constituencies, where UKIP might have had a chance, instead of running around the whole pitch like a bad-organised little boys football team, desperately trying to score a goal somewhere or other.
Anyway, UKIP are now like a dead whale that has washed up on one of beaches....nobody seems to know quite what to do with it and while we continue to ponder that question, it is giving off an almighty stink.
@mikey
Curiously, Caroline Lucas had also accumulated a public profile as an MEP before standing for Brighton Pavilion - and that only after a 55/45 win over the Green's sitting candidate. Not an out-and-out "parachuted in" stunt but reminiscent of one. Fairer to say that Brighton Pavilion turned itself to majority Green, through the graft of her predecessor, Keith Taylor
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and she wouldn't be the first party big-wig to be planted in a "safe seat". That's how we end up with Cabinet ministers who are never in danger of being "sacked" by means of the voters' efforts.
UKIP voters need to move home, cluster in a constituency or five until they win them, with their leader and other senior staff being as bold as Farage was to stand and face the chance of failure, rather than do it slowly, with a substitution step, as the Greens did. Two election cycles now means up to 10 years' wait to get established at Westminster and some people are in their 40s/50s by the time they commit to standing for parliament.
Or look at it another way, 4m out of 65m isn't even 10% of the population. You've barely got started and there's a long way to go to reach 35%, like the Tories do. (smirk)
Curiously, Caroline Lucas had also accumulated a public profile as an MEP before standing for Brighton Pavilion - and that only after a 55/45 win over the Green's sitting candidate. Not an out-and-out "parachuted in" stunt but reminiscent of one. Fairer to say that Brighton Pavilion turned itself to majority Green, through the graft of her predecessor, Keith Taylor
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and she wouldn't be the first party big-wig to be planted in a "safe seat". That's how we end up with Cabinet ministers who are never in danger of being "sacked" by means of the voters' efforts.
UKIP voters need to move home, cluster in a constituency or five until they win them, with their leader and other senior staff being as bold as Farage was to stand and face the chance of failure, rather than do it slowly, with a substitution step, as the Greens did. Two election cycles now means up to 10 years' wait to get established at Westminster and some people are in their 40s/50s by the time they commit to standing for parliament.
Or look at it another way, 4m out of 65m isn't even 10% of the population. You've barely got started and there's a long way to go to reach 35%, like the Tories do. (smirk)
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