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naomi24
The 'real issue'?
Muslims have been in Europe (at least in the current numbers) for decades. I grew up alongside Muslims in South London in the 70s.
Now, if we were to believe that Islam is a religion based on violent ideology - how come these terrorist attacks have only escalated since the first Gulf War?
I'm going to put it out there...for us to protect ourselves...the only way to do it is to build our own Guantanamo Bays...all over the country. These facilities would be used to detain the anyone with suspected terrorist sympathies.
We will also have to divest ourselves of all financial instruments which involves trade with any country/region with proven terrorist links (looking at you Saudi Arabia).
The price of oil will go up, because we need to remove ourselves completely from the Middle East. We would have to let them get on with it. If ISIS spreads throughout the region, then so be it.
On a practical note - I agree that unchecked immigration has to be stopped. I've never really understood why someone has the right to bring their family to the UK just because they have come here...but that's a side point.
What I'm trying to say, is that your suggestions will make a lot of people feel good, but I guarantee that banning halal food for Muslim prisoners will not keep me safe on Oxford Street at Christmas.
Banning the burka will not protect me as I get off the train at Euston.
Banning Muslim prisoners from reading the Koran is not going to bullets from hitting me at a concert venue.
Your suggestions are 'playing to the gallery'. They aren't based on what will keep us secure at all.
What will keep us secure is a complete reinvention of our relationship with the Middle East. And my suggestions are as unworkable and pointless as yours,
The 'real issue'?
Muslims have been in Europe (at least in the current numbers) for decades. I grew up alongside Muslims in South London in the 70s.
Now, if we were to believe that Islam is a religion based on violent ideology - how come these terrorist attacks have only escalated since the first Gulf War?
I'm going to put it out there...for us to protect ourselves...the only way to do it is to build our own Guantanamo Bays...all over the country. These facilities would be used to detain the anyone with suspected terrorist sympathies.
We will also have to divest ourselves of all financial instruments which involves trade with any country/region with proven terrorist links (looking at you Saudi Arabia).
The price of oil will go up, because we need to remove ourselves completely from the Middle East. We would have to let them get on with it. If ISIS spreads throughout the region, then so be it.
On a practical note - I agree that unchecked immigration has to be stopped. I've never really understood why someone has the right to bring their family to the UK just because they have come here...but that's a side point.
What I'm trying to say, is that your suggestions will make a lot of people feel good, but I guarantee that banning halal food for Muslim prisoners will not keep me safe on Oxford Street at Christmas.
Banning the burka will not protect me as I get off the train at Euston.
Banning Muslim prisoners from reading the Koran is not going to bullets from hitting me at a concert venue.
Your suggestions are 'playing to the gallery'. They aren't based on what will keep us secure at all.
What will keep us secure is a complete reinvention of our relationship with the Middle East. And my suggestions are as unworkable and pointless as yours,
ummmm
Naomi - do you not believe there are lapsed Muslims?
Many on Twitter denouncing the terror atrocities and Islam (the most vocal receiving lots of vile abuse from 'non lapsed Muslims'
Eddie, after your story of chanting clapping whiteys telling the shopkeeper to buzzer off home I take what youb say with a pinch of rock salt.
sp ... the real issues ... please enlighten us.
Naomi - do you not believe there are lapsed Muslims?
Many on Twitter denouncing the terror atrocities and Islam (the most vocal receiving lots of vile abuse from 'non lapsed Muslims'
Eddie, after your story of chanting clapping whiteys telling the shopkeeper to buzzer off home I take what youb say with a pinch of rock salt.
sp ... the real issues ... please enlighten us.
Majid Nawaz was on The Daily Politics Show. His comments: Hamas first and ISIS secondly have called on jihadists to launch "lone-wolf" attacks on Jews and Crusaders using cars, lorries and any means to hand. ISIS, according to Nawaz, has a particular grudge against France because of its reaction to the Charlie Hebdo murders.
EDDIE51
/// You can't wear a veil in a chemistry lab! too dangerous think of the problems with a bunsen burner. ///
Seems like the British Courts think differently.
*** "The school didn't want her to wear the jilbab because it was concerned about safety, not because they were discriminating against her," she said. "Jilbabs are long and can get caught in the flames of Bunsen burners. You can also easily trip over while wearing
them. ***
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/// You can't wear a veil in a chemistry lab! too dangerous think of the problems with a bunsen burner. ///
Seems like the British Courts think differently.
*** "The school didn't want her to wear the jilbab because it was concerned about safety, not because they were discriminating against her," she said. "Jilbabs are long and can get caught in the flames of Bunsen burners. You can also easily trip over while wearing
them. ***
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as of 1hr ago (1330), no group had claimed responsibility - but Amaq, the de-facto press agency of ISIS, is said to have told supporters to "await confirmation".
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the last press release by Amaq was yesterday, before the attack.
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the last press release by Amaq was yesterday, before the attack.
"Muslims have been in Europe (at least in the current numbers) for decades....
Now, if we were to believe that Islam is a religion based on violent ideology - how come these terrorist attacks have only escalated since the first Gulf War? "
Regarding the first remark, SP, you don't believe this headline then: https:/
I'm confused by the logic of your second remark. Are you saying that IF Islam was a violent ideology then we would have had more attacks BEFORE the first Gulf war? What do you think the significance of Desert Storm is? You're too smart to be saying "post hoc ergo propter hoc", so you must think there is a causal relationship between that war and the escalation of violence. Not caused by religion; caused by something we've done? And it follows that if there is violence caused by Muslims in, say, China, the Philippines and East Timor then there must (according to you) be political grounds for it, because there would be no religious justification for it?
To be honest, SP, you are by your own admission totally ignorant of Islam (and, I suggest, Europe's 1400 year fractious relationship with the Islam). I think you deny the violence which is central to Islam either because you are trapped in the multiculturalist delusion, or because you believe that those of us who assert that it is a violent and supremacist ideology are bigots.
Now, if we were to believe that Islam is a religion based on violent ideology - how come these terrorist attacks have only escalated since the first Gulf War? "
Regarding the first remark, SP, you don't believe this headline then: https:/
I'm confused by the logic of your second remark. Are you saying that IF Islam was a violent ideology then we would have had more attacks BEFORE the first Gulf war? What do you think the significance of Desert Storm is? You're too smart to be saying "post hoc ergo propter hoc", so you must think there is a causal relationship between that war and the escalation of violence. Not caused by religion; caused by something we've done? And it follows that if there is violence caused by Muslims in, say, China, the Philippines and East Timor then there must (according to you) be political grounds for it, because there would be no religious justification for it?
To be honest, SP, you are by your own admission totally ignorant of Islam (and, I suggest, Europe's 1400 year fractious relationship with the Islam). I think you deny the violence which is central to Islam either because you are trapped in the multiculturalist delusion, or because you believe that those of us who assert that it is a violent and supremacist ideology are bigots.
French President Francois Hollande has described the attack as “despicable".
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has condemned the attack in Nice, calling for intensified efforts to confront terrorism and violent extremism.
Everything under control then!
Europe is not a Muslim continent, but for years it’s heads of government (and to a certain extent, it’s citizens) have welcomed these people with their brainwashed ideology and beliefs, and I think it’s safe to say that “intelligence gathering” isn’t working, because if it was, these atrocious events wouldn’t be happening.
So never mind namby pamby statements like “we will not let the terrorists win” (I think you’ll find that for every person they kill or maim, then that is, in fact, a victory for them), why not get really tough and force them out?
And yes, I know not all Muslims are bad, but it’s about time that the majority are protected from the minority, rather than the other way round.
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has condemned the attack in Nice, calling for intensified efforts to confront terrorism and violent extremism.
Everything under control then!
Europe is not a Muslim continent, but for years it’s heads of government (and to a certain extent, it’s citizens) have welcomed these people with their brainwashed ideology and beliefs, and I think it’s safe to say that “intelligence gathering” isn’t working, because if it was, these atrocious events wouldn’t be happening.
So never mind namby pamby statements like “we will not let the terrorists win” (I think you’ll find that for every person they kill or maim, then that is, in fact, a victory for them), why not get really tough and force them out?
And yes, I know not all Muslims are bad, but it’s about time that the majority are protected from the minority, rather than the other way round.
And my pennyworth.
"Naomi - you keep telling us what they think."
Some of us do say what we think Islam CLEARLY teaches, Ummm.
Mohammed had a political project - to convert all the polytheists, Jews and Christians in the Arabian peninsula to his new religion, and then to extend this holy struggle by imposing the divine law on the rest of the unbelieving world. Violence is a divinely sanctioned method of attaining that goal.
The number of Muslims who want to live peacefully in the West, what THEY think and how THEY interpret their religion is an irrelevance. What IS relevant is the number of those who believe in their religion as taught and practised by their Prophet.
"Naomi - you keep telling us what they think."
Some of us do say what we think Islam CLEARLY teaches, Ummm.
Mohammed had a political project - to convert all the polytheists, Jews and Christians in the Arabian peninsula to his new religion, and then to extend this holy struggle by imposing the divine law on the rest of the unbelieving world. Violence is a divinely sanctioned method of attaining that goal.
The number of Muslims who want to live peacefully in the West, what THEY think and how THEY interpret their religion is an irrelevance. What IS relevant is the number of those who believe in their religion as taught and practised by their Prophet.
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