Light At The End Of The Brexit Tunnel.....

[Zacs-Master]

Or just a train coming the other way?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

[Old_Geezer]

UKIP has a lot of supporters, and they are dispersed, but that means they already have a decent base of support in most places. Consequently it would not take too great a swing of votes from the other parties to achieve wins.

Constituencies have an inbuilt bias to favour the two big parties, but coalitions are hardly unknown; and when the public is outraged by a major act such as a disregard of the people's voice, it ought not take much for a third party to have surprise victories all over the place.

UKIP's stated policy is now fulfilled, but since it hasn't been acted upon I can't believe they think they have no further role. A referendum without the fulfilment of the public's will is a half finished task.

General elections are not only won on the economy. For sure it is a high priority and usually swings the day, but the referendum has already shown that it can take second place when something vital, such as getting one's country back again, is a possibility.

Farage is a UKIP member. He may well stand as an MP, he's only relinquished the leadership. No party is one individual alone, and whilst his voice is still there he will still have a large effect anyway.

Protest voters may tend to be a small % of constituency turnout, but nothing as important as ignoring democracy has been inflicted before.

I suspect you are wrong and misjudge the extent of the outrage when you believe disgruntled Lab or Con voters will simply abstain. Some will, but others know a vital issue when they see it.

A party taking 50% of disaffected Lab and Con voters have no need to be gaining between the two voting levels. They could start near zero. Take a simplified example.

Party C = 100 voters
Party L = 100 voters
Party U = 5 voters

50% of Party C voters vote instead for Party U, 50% of Party L voters vote instead for Party U.

Party C = 50 voters
Party L = 50 voters
Party U = 105 voters

UKIP don't stand in all constituencies presently. Do you think they'll be short of volunteers and finance if Brexit doesn't happen ?

[bazwillrun]

@gulliver1

can you simplify and explain the above for me please ?

[gulliver1]

Why, Baz are you so thick and simple you can not work it out for yourself.

[jourdain2]

Well, I read past the headlines and it is the most dreadful deal they have offered. We would have to be mad to accept it -even if we could. We cannot accept it, anyway, because the majority rejected the EU and that is morally binding on Parliament - which exists as a result of Democratic vote and therefore must abide by Democratic voting.

[Zacs-Master]

How very quaintly innocent jourdain.

[bazwillrun]

"Why, Baz are you so thick and simple you can not work it out for yourself.
"

im as thick as schitt , and you seem to have a reputation on here as having a mind better suited to finishing Einsteins Unified Field Theory of Everything...

please explain it as Im at a complete loss :(

[jourdain2]

Z-M... I'm expressing the truth as I and a huge number of people see it. David Cameron said, before the vote, that he would accept the result as the will of the people. He chickened out because he thought he would win and didn't know what to do. The result stands as expressing the will of the people and that is that. No escape possible.

Anyway, the Chairman of the Conservative party has said that Article 50 will be triggered before the next election. If it goes much past Easter 2017 I think that there will be rumblings of discontent to say the least.

[bazwillrun]

"He chickened out because he thought he would win "

thats why we were given the referendum when we were , he thought hed win....he was sure hed win, all his advisors and policy makers etc etc had given him data/reports etc that showed a definite win... he would never have allowed it to go ahead otherwise...just shows how wrong you can be ...eh Dave

[Khandro]

Brexit isn't just about immigration, it is about sovereignty and the impending federalism of the EU which nobody voted for. The most salient question still applies; "If you were out of the EU, would you be clamouring to join?"

[Garaman]

It is an interesting question that, Khandro, but not really possible to answer without you saying what state the UK is in in this hypothetical scenario. If the UK is prospering whilst the rest of Europe is struggling, then I guess not many would be clamouring to join, but if the UK isn’t doing very well then I think many would be clamouring to join.

[Khandro]

Garaman; The UK is the fifth strongest economy in the world and even informed remainers are already surprised by the amount of foreign countries already stating how they wish to start trade deals.

[Davemano]

A good reply Khandro . There will always be no light at the end of the tunnel for Remainiacs because that is the way they want it.

[Garaman]

I think it is a very poor answer as it doesn’t answer the question, which is after all what answers are meant to do. How on earth am I supposed to say if I would be clamouring to join or not if you don’t tell me how we are doing compared to the EU in this hypothetical situation. If the question is would I be clamouring to join if we are doing better outside than we were inside then of course not, but it isn’t clear that that is what is being asked.

We are, btw, all in the Brexit camp now, and I hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

[NickorWan]

Davemano, some of us who voted to remain accepted the result the day we found out. We are not ‘Remainiacs’ we just happened to have a different view to you. It is sad that many on here can’t accept anyone who has a different view to them and have to resort to name calling. Whilst I accept that we are leaving, and am keen to get on with it, you shouldn’t expect me suddenly to say that I thought that leaving was the best idea because, though I accept the result, I clearly didn’t. I hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and I hope that I and others were wrong and leaving is the best for the country, but that still has to be proved. I am quite happy to accept when I get something wrong, and can’t think of a time I more wished that was the case to be honest, but I will wait and see what happens before I applaud those who voted to leave.

[Davemano]

NickorWan I used the term Remainiac as it has been used on several threads for those who voted remain. I certainly am no name calling by simply replying to the post by Khandro. I appreciate that people have different and respect that, but it does seem that it is only the remain voters who are posting what conveys doom and gloom as this thread heading appears to show.

[Davemano]

fourth line should have read 'different views'.