Now, Who's Fault Is All This?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/28/man-complains-after-police-place-spit-hood-over-head-during-arrest-london-bridge

1/ The young man resisting arrest?

2/ Overzealous police officers, trying to rescue a damsel in distress?

3/ An ungrateful damsel?

Or should the police officers have stood back and see how serious the argument got between a young man and his girlfriend.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3714474/I-got-pounced-Burly-police-pinned-black-man-20-floor-putting-MASK-face-arresting-horrified-girlfriend-couple-rowed-London-station.html

[dannyk13]

Worst possible scenario for a police officer is to be called to a domestic dispute.

[Zacs-Master]

2

[wolf63]

I would say that danny has a point. It is just as likely that when officers try to 'save' the damsel that she will turn around and attack the police man.

Women can be dirty fighters

[ToraToraTora]

not like zacs to take the side of criminal scum.

Plod would take the measures necessary, I'm sure the guy was not out collecting for the red cross.

[Zacs-Master]

no, I usually leave that to you. (sorry, open goal)

[ToraToraTora]

well it may have been zacs if there was any truth in it.

[Mamyalynne]

Without seeing how aggressive or not the argument was before the video began it's a hard shout.


It dies appear a bit overzealous and all the accompanying shouting adds to that but without the whole picture not an easy judgement to make.

If indeed he did spit or threaten to, then the mask was needed.

[RandyMarsh]

Too soon to tell but my money is on number 2

[Zacs-Master]

Actually, i did have a brain burp there and actually agree with mamya.

[Orderlimit]

No 1 - He admits faults

" The man has since accepted a caution for an offence under Section 5 of the Public Order Act".

[jambutty]

It seems to me that the police just can't win.

[Orderlimit]

Mr Aihie can also be heard to cry out to the officers: 'You are racist, so racist'

Writing in a Facebook post this bonehead stated: 'Thank you for all the sharing of that video showing you how racist the police can be ...'

Is this intervention and subsequent actions a result of racism?

[Old_Geezer]

Does accepting a caution mean you admit fault ? I'd figure it could mean feeling that you weren't going to win and trying to put things behind you. Of course you may have second thoughts later.

I'd agree it is difficult to tell given the guy is already incapacitated on the ground when the filming starts.

[david small]

Compliance would have averted restriction. That's the way of the world these days. Certainly not racism.

[Orderlimit]

Does accepting a caution mean you admit fault ?

Yes, as a caution can only be offered where the strength of the evidence is sufficient to provide a realistic prospect of a conviction if the offender were to be prosecuted and the person has made a clear and reliable admission to committing the offence and has not raised any defences.

[Peter Pedant]

AOG you missed out the obvious choice

4) recent vote for Brexit ?

[Orderlimit]

Haha, yes good one Peter !

[Peter Pedant]

// Does accepting a caution mean you admit fault ?//

anyone with a professional regulator ( nurses, opticians, doctors, teachers, social workers, ) should take not of the unwisdom of accepting a caution as their regulator will take a dim view of it all, and remember folks, no licence no job !

sorry a bit off the point, but anyway needs to be made

[andy-hughes]

It appears that the young man was already agitated by an altercation with his girlfriend.

It then appears that he was agitated with the police who spoke to him - never a good idea.

It then appears he accused them of being racist, and threating to spit at them - two more bad ideas making three in quick succession.

If the police deal with someone who is acting in a threatening manner, they will take him or her to the ground for his or her, and their, and the public's safety - that is procedure.

So I would tend towards point 1 - but I wasn't there, so I can only go on the information given.