Should These Children (I Won't Give Them The Benefit Of Calling Them British) Ever Be Allowed Back In Britain?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-training-children-of-foreign-fighters-to-become-next-generation-of-terrorists-a7162911.html

[ToraToraTora]

I must have missed those Irish schools teaching beheading skills and IED construction eddie.

[fiction-factory]

I remember film of 6 year old kids throwing stones and bottles at soldiers, and I'm sure some of those grew up to be killers.
Anyway, before the virtue-signalling comments come in, I would say "no" to the OP's original question provided we know about their past..

[jourdain2]

No.

[naomi24]

Eddie, //There is a very close parallel between the situation in 1960's > 1980's Northern Ireland and the present problems between Muslim and Christian. //

I'm sick of reading that sort of apologist nonsense. There is no parallel - there is not even a shadow of a parallel between the two. Which country is ISIS fighting for, where does its allegiance lie, what victory will appease it, and who is its oppressors/aggressors? Your post is an insult to the Irish - all of them.

[naomi24]

To answer the question, no, they shouldn't be allowed back.

[gulliver1]

So there!

[anotheoldgit]

Excuse me, but I don't ever remember anything about the IRA in this report.

[Peter Pedant]

no aog I did

the change over from violence to peace was observed in Ireland in the late twentieth century and I think it is useful in changing the cycle of violence to the cycle of peace to ask why and how it occurred because then we might be able to do it again in... well.... the current situation

and some dont ....

[naomi24]

//we might be able to do it again in... well.... the current situation //

Dream on!

[sandyRoe]

Naomi, are you saying that this violent will never end? Nit so long ago the Taliban were the mortal enemy of the West in Afghanistan. Now, I believe, there are ongoing discussions which might lead to them having a place in government.
Not, 'Dream on!', but 'never say never'.

[sandyRoe]

Not nit, not ^^^

[naomi24]

//I believe, there are ongoing discussions which might lead to them having a place in government. //

Goody gumdrops! No doubt they'll be our bosom buddies then!!

[sandyRoe]

I'm sure you're nowhere old enough to remember Jomo Kenyetta of Kenya or Archbishop Makarious of Cyprus. Enemies once but friends subsequently.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//if we believe that History has lessons to teach us...//

I do believe that, Peter. Do you?

I know a little about the Irish republican movement and its militant arms and on that fairly scant knowledge I'll try to answer some earlier questions by Naomi, but this time addressed to republican extremists:

"Which country [is the IRA and its look-alikes] fighting for, where does its allegiance lie, what victory will appease it, and who is its oppressors/aggressors?"

The country is Ireland (the whole island, not the artificially divided one created by the plantations).
Its allegiance is to the cause of reuniting Ireland as an independent republican state.
The victory which will appease if is the separation of Ulster from the Crown and the incorporation of NI into the Irish Republic.
Its former aggressors and current oppressors are every English monarch and government since Henry VIII.

A narrow territorial remit, then. And one easily appeased, if we were that way inclined. (Don't think with Ulster back they'd go on to ask for Kilburn).

Now let's get back to Naomi's original questions which were directed at the Islamic extremists. I'll suggest four answers myself:

Country - the Caliphate.
Allegiance - Islam.
What would get them off our backs - the surrender of the non-Muslim world.
Who they think the nasties are - all non-Islamic governments, especially Western ones.

I don't see a lot of room for compromise or accommodation here. But then I may be wrong. Regarding militant Islamism what lessons does history teach you, Peter?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Makarios (ENOSIS) , Kenyatta(independence) and co. had precise and limited objectives, Sandy.

[sandyRoe]

"Th' whole worl's in a terrible state o' chassis"
And nowhere more so than the Middle East. Syria was an artificial construct, as is Iraq. Let them have their Caliphate. Their theocratic state would be no worse than some in that area. And once the leaders of ISIS had their snouts in the trough they'd call off their campaigns directed at innocents in the West.
I'm reminded of Vietnam. The grandchildren of the people who defeated American Imperialism now toil in sweatshops for them making cheap clothing and footwear.

[sandyRoe]

My mention of those two was only to illustrate the fact that enemies needn't always be that.

[ummmm]

Eddie...there isn't training camps. We might have been brought up to hate but we're not trained to kill.