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Is France About To Take Sensible Action?
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FRENCH Prime Minister Manuel Valls says the country is to shut down certain mosques, cut foreign funding and police the content delivered in sermons in a massive crackdown on Islamic fundamentalism.
Meanwhile, former French president Nicolas Sarkozy has demanded every person suspected of being involved in terrorism be placed under house arrest.
And he said accessing jihadi websites should be made a crime similar to that of paedophiles who view and distribute content online.
France is also considering legislation that will allow it to remove and expel dual national citizens.
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Meanwhile, former French president Nicolas Sarkozy has demanded every person suspected of being involved in terrorism be placed under house arrest.
And he said accessing jihadi websites should be made a crime similar to that of paedophiles who view and distribute content online.
France is also considering legislation that will allow it to remove and expel dual national citizens.
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Perhaps curtailing the building of more Mosques is a security issue. The existing ones would seem to have become a hotbed of radical indoctrinati
11:43 Wed 03rd Aug 2016
YMB - //Whilst it is supposedly true for the Christian faith to be able to pray anywhere I think you will find the devout (and the extreme ones) insist on Mosque attendance. Therefore restricting the opening of Mosques could result in the reduction of Muslims in some areas. //
Let's go with your argument for the moment - that reducing Mosques reduces Muslims - what would be the point of that?
If you are simply playing a numbers game - seventy-five per cent less Muslims means seventy-five per cent less terrorists, than that is illogical, the numbers don't stack up because it works on the premise that for every innocent devout Muslim to whom you are denying a place of worship (and the punishment of innocent Muslims is an aspect not addressed at all) - you prevent a terrorist Muslim from worshiping.
So - aside from the fact that the whole premise is flawed - what effect do you think the prejudicial action against innocent Muslims is going to have on a bunch of psychotic murderers who use their perceived persecution of Muslims as the reason for bombing and beheading westerners in the first place?
Let's go with your argument for the moment - that reducing Mosques reduces Muslims - what would be the point of that?
If you are simply playing a numbers game - seventy-five per cent less Muslims means seventy-five per cent less terrorists, than that is illogical, the numbers don't stack up because it works on the premise that for every innocent devout Muslim to whom you are denying a place of worship (and the punishment of innocent Muslims is an aspect not addressed at all) - you prevent a terrorist Muslim from worshiping.
So - aside from the fact that the whole premise is flawed - what effect do you think the prejudicial action against innocent Muslims is going to have on a bunch of psychotic murderers who use their perceived persecution of Muslims as the reason for bombing and beheading westerners in the first place?
YMB - //What has Christian churches in Abu Dhabi have to do with it? Do they preach hatred and annihilation of the 'Muslim infidel'? I think not. //
You think right - but the mosques don't preach hatred and annihilation either - they have to put up with being tarred with the actions of a tiny vocal minority who do that - usually abroad.
You think right - but the mosques don't preach hatred and annihilation either - they have to put up with being tarred with the actions of a tiny vocal minority who do that - usually abroad.
// Stopping the opening of more mosques does two things - it prevents worship by innocent Muslims, and it confirms to the Jihadists that Muslims are being persecuted.
I can't see any pluses on that basis. // When oh when are certain people going to wake up to the situation of the serious attacks on Western society? France is on track & it is time we also took the same position.
I can't see any pluses on that basis. // When oh when are certain people going to wake up to the situation of the serious attacks on Western society? France is on track & it is time we also took the same position.
Talbot - //Far too many Mosques do preach hate. //
I think you'll find its Imams who preach - rather than the buildings.
But that minor discrepancy aside, would it not be better to address the radical Imams and deal with them, instead of persecuting an entire faith structure, which simply fuels the very radicalism everyone is trying to get rid of.
I think you'll find its Imams who preach - rather than the buildings.
But that minor discrepancy aside, would it not be better to address the radical Imams and deal with them, instead of persecuting an entire faith structure, which simply fuels the very radicalism everyone is trying to get rid of.
whiskeyron - //When oh when are certain people going to wake up to the situation of the serious attacks on Western society? France is on track & it is time we also took the same position. //
It is a popular misconception that people who do not think that unworkable impractical predjudice-fuelling responses are a good idea are somehow 'asleep', and only the tub-thumping shouters actually know what's going on.
Both are untrue.
I am fully aware of the horrors being enacted in Europe, but that does not mean I wish to be associated to imprisonment without trial, denial of lawful worship, and similar right-wing nonsense which is not only unworkable, but will simply add fuel to the flames of the jihadists' viewpoint.
They bomb and kill because they think the West are corrupt soulless jingoistic bullies - why would you want to go ahead and prove them right?
It is a popular misconception that people who do not think that unworkable impractical predjudice-fuelling responses are a good idea are somehow 'asleep', and only the tub-thumping shouters actually know what's going on.
Both are untrue.
I am fully aware of the horrors being enacted in Europe, but that does not mean I wish to be associated to imprisonment without trial, denial of lawful worship, and similar right-wing nonsense which is not only unworkable, but will simply add fuel to the flames of the jihadists' viewpoint.
They bomb and kill because they think the West are corrupt soulless jingoistic bullies - why would you want to go ahead and prove them right?
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andy-hughes
/// denial of lawful worship, and similar right-wing nonsense ///
Who said anything about that, they are perfectly free to worship in the mosques they now have, if there is too many Muslims for the Mosques they now have, then perhaps one could simulate the problem with there being too many people for far few houses.
So there are two solutions to both problems, If there are those who cannot be preached to inside the enclosure of a Mosque, then let them do it outside, that way we can at least keep an eye on what is being preached.
Solution to the second problem, cut down on the number of migrants entering this country.
/// denial of lawful worship, and similar right-wing nonsense ///
Who said anything about that, they are perfectly free to worship in the mosques they now have, if there is too many Muslims for the Mosques they now have, then perhaps one could simulate the problem with there being too many people for far few houses.
So there are two solutions to both problems, If there are those who cannot be preached to inside the enclosure of a Mosque, then let them do it outside, that way we can at least keep an eye on what is being preached.
Solution to the second problem, cut down on the number of migrants entering this country.
andy-hughes
/// would it not be better to address the radical Imams and deal with them, instead of persecuting an entire faith structure, which simply fuels the very radicalism everyone is trying to get rid of. ///
It is like a disease, yes one should try and get rid of the source, but that does not mean ignoring the victims of the disease, much better and safer for all to quarantine them from the rest of the community.
/// would it not be better to address the radical Imams and deal with them, instead of persecuting an entire faith structure, which simply fuels the very radicalism everyone is trying to get rid of. ///
It is like a disease, yes one should try and get rid of the source, but that does not mean ignoring the victims of the disease, much better and safer for all to quarantine them from the rest of the community.
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