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A Question To The Brexiters
If the UK government doesn't deliver the Brexit deal that you want, are you going to join the EDL, BNP or Britain First?
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Well perhaps some will, people are getting fed up with their country being swamped by masses of economic refugees.
And call them Far-Right, but are they wrong in their fears of a demise of their hard earned NHS, a shortage of affordable houses for their young, or school accommodation for their children, in fact a complete breakdown of the countries infrastructure?
No body listened to Enoch Powell, but we have seen blood on our streets, so it would be equally foolish not to listen to Nigel Farage, he could also be proven right.
And call them Far-Right, but are they wrong in their fears of a demise of their hard earned NHS, a shortage of affordable houses for their young, or school accommodation for their children, in fact a complete breakdown of the countries infrastructure?
No body listened to Enoch Powell, but we have seen blood on our streets, so it would be equally foolish not to listen to Nigel Farage, he could also be proven right.
Completely with 3Ts.
There is no "deal" that I want or seek other than for the UK to cease its membership of the EU asap. I don't care what "deal" is cobbled together so long as we are no longer subject to any of the EU's laws and rules and no longer faced with its pernicious influence. I didn't vote in a referendum with a conditional question. It was simply "Remain" or "Leave". Far more countries are outside the EU than within it and many of them do perfectly well for themselves. They have never been in the EU and so have the best deal of all. A deal like any one of them has will suit me fine.
No, I would not join any of the organisations you mention for the same reason as I would not join the Labour party or the Conservative party.
There is no "deal" that I want or seek other than for the UK to cease its membership of the EU asap. I don't care what "deal" is cobbled together so long as we are no longer subject to any of the EU's laws and rules and no longer faced with its pernicious influence. I didn't vote in a referendum with a conditional question. It was simply "Remain" or "Leave". Far more countries are outside the EU than within it and many of them do perfectly well for themselves. They have never been in the EU and so have the best deal of all. A deal like any one of them has will suit me fine.
No, I would not join any of the organisations you mention for the same reason as I would not join the Labour party or the Conservative party.
Nothing more than a bit of grumbling will happen if the government does not not deliver on the Brexit vote. It was always made clear it was non binding
52% voted leave against 48 % stay. That was on a 76% turnout.So 24% could not be bothered to vote and can be assumed to not care either way.
48% stay votes added to the 24% who do not care =72% of the population who either want to stay or do not care. Nothing is going to happen if we do not leave apart from a lot of grumbling.
52% voted leave against 48 % stay. That was on a 76% turnout.So 24% could not be bothered to vote and can be assumed to not care either way.
48% stay votes added to the 24% who do not care =72% of the population who either want to stay or do not care. Nothing is going to happen if we do not leave apart from a lot of grumbling.
So I see the Indpendant is behaving like any other rag despite what some on here say.
Our Nige said the 'might be tempted' that is a far cry from 'they will join' Typical left wing gutter journalism by the Independent to suite its cause.
Will I vote far right - no. But I may well vote for UKIP.
I'm with TTT and NJ. I have never seen the need for a deal, as I have mentioned previously on this site. Just leave and pay the Tariff. We will gain anyway since we import more from the EU than we export to it and our exports to the EU are falling. Anyhow, what is the difference between a tariff and all the brass we have to stump up to belong? At least folks would have a choice to pay or not and it wold not be the tax payer funding the 'tarrif'
Our Nige said the 'might be tempted' that is a far cry from 'they will join' Typical left wing gutter journalism by the Independent to suite its cause.
Will I vote far right - no. But I may well vote for UKIP.
I'm with TTT and NJ. I have never seen the need for a deal, as I have mentioned previously on this site. Just leave and pay the Tariff. We will gain anyway since we import more from the EU than we export to it and our exports to the EU are falling. Anyhow, what is the difference between a tariff and all the brass we have to stump up to belong? At least folks would have a choice to pay or not and it wold not be the tax payer funding the 'tarrif'
Eddie: "Nothing more than a bit of grumbling will happen if the government does not not deliver on the Brexit vote. It was always made clear it was non binding " : what a silly foolish naive dangerous comment. No politician can ignore this. Fortunately both PM and the previous PM have agreed to enact the very clear democratic will of the people, even against their own view because they know there is a civil war waiting to happen. I'm an old man these days but I will die on the streets if necessary if they welch on this. No amount if eejit posturing by the hard of thinking will prevail.
"I didn't vote in a referendum with a conditional question."
Indeed not, NJ -- although equally this leaves open the possibility -- no, the certainty -- that there were people who voted to Leave the EU who had a rather different relationship and set of outcomes in mind from the ones you and TTT had.
It's not enough for Brexiters to cry "out out out" as if that is in any sense a vision for the future. You voted for this; it really should be up to you to agree amongst yourselves what Brexit actually means (without some meangingless "brexit is brexit" platitude), and how to achieve this given that we can't just sever membership of the EU overnight without damaging ourselves and everyone else connected to us.
Not that it matters what anyone who voted for Brexit actually wants anyway; another sad fact of the referendum is that even the promise to "take back control" didn't really mean the people taking back control -- just a few career politicians and other assorted power-hungry morons, only in Westminster rather than Brussels, most of whom didn't want this and are therefore likely to find some way of weaselling out of it in whole or in part.
Indeed not, NJ -- although equally this leaves open the possibility -- no, the certainty -- that there were people who voted to Leave the EU who had a rather different relationship and set of outcomes in mind from the ones you and TTT had.
It's not enough for Brexiters to cry "out out out" as if that is in any sense a vision for the future. You voted for this; it really should be up to you to agree amongst yourselves what Brexit actually means (without some meangingless "brexit is brexit" platitude), and how to achieve this given that we can't just sever membership of the EU overnight without damaging ourselves and everyone else connected to us.
Not that it matters what anyone who voted for Brexit actually wants anyway; another sad fact of the referendum is that even the promise to "take back control" didn't really mean the people taking back control -- just a few career politicians and other assorted power-hungry morons, only in Westminster rather than Brussels, most of whom didn't want this and are therefore likely to find some way of weaselling out of it in whole or in part.
Looks like you post actually asks a rather moot question now sp
From the Inde:
'Sorry Remainers, but Theresa May means business when it comes to Brexit'
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From the Inde:
'Sorry Remainers, but Theresa May means business when it comes to Brexit'
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The “52% of 76%” argument has been done to death, Eddie and largely dismissed as irrelevant. However, a couple of your points are worth a mention:
“So 24% could not be bothered to vote and can be assumed to not care either way.”
I don’t think so. It has been calculated that three out of four 18-25 year olds could not raise themselves away from the Twitbooks or whatever else it is they spend their valuable time on to be ar5ed with the tiresome process of going to vote. Yet many in this same age group are now berating older voters for “ruining their lives” and condemning them to a future locked inside the UK, unable to travel or talk to anybody abroad. They can hardly be said to not care either way.
“Nothing is going to happen if we do not leave apart from a lot of grumbling.”
Yeah right!!! As I said yesterday, Eddie, you suffer from an indulgence of wishful thinking in the same way as you suffered from an overdose of rabid pessimism prior to the vote.
“So 24% could not be bothered to vote and can be assumed to not care either way.”
I don’t think so. It has been calculated that three out of four 18-25 year olds could not raise themselves away from the Twitbooks or whatever else it is they spend their valuable time on to be ar5ed with the tiresome process of going to vote. Yet many in this same age group are now berating older voters for “ruining their lives” and condemning them to a future locked inside the UK, unable to travel or talk to anybody abroad. They can hardly be said to not care either way.
“Nothing is going to happen if we do not leave apart from a lot of grumbling.”
Yeah right!!! As I said yesterday, Eddie, you suffer from an indulgence of wishful thinking in the same way as you suffered from an overdose of rabid pessimism prior to the vote.
NJ:
"it has been calculated that 3 out of 4 18-25 year olds [did not vote]"
You're using outdated stats (and outdated wrong stats, at that: the claimed figure was 36%, not 25%). In fact of course nobody knows exactly how many young people turned out to voted, but a more recent estimate puts the turnout among the younger generation at around 65%:
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It could (and should) have been higher, but stop laying into the young as lazy so viciously, especially without bothering to check your figures.
"it has been calculated that 3 out of 4 18-25 year olds [did not vote]"
You're using outdated stats (and outdated wrong stats, at that: the claimed figure was 36%, not 25%). In fact of course nobody knows exactly how many young people turned out to voted, but a more recent estimate puts the turnout among the younger generation at around 65%:
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It could (and should) have been higher, but stop laying into the young as lazy so viciously, especially without bothering to check your figures.
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