How Come The 'brexiters' Have Not Mentioned This?

[EDDIE51]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/g20-theresa-may-warns-of-tough-times-for-uk-economy-after-brexit
Theresa May had it much tougher than she had imagined at the G20.

[EDDIE51]

The warning from Japan is even more stark, top Japanese company's will be moving to the European mainland.
http://news.sky.com/story/japans-unprecedented-warning-to-uk-over-brexit-10564585

[-Talbot-]

EDDIE's words
The warning from Japan is even more stark, top Japanese company's will be moving to the European mainland.


Actual words
Japan pulls no punches in a 15-page report, warning that companies may leave the UK if Brexit negotiations are unsatisfactory.


may and if.

[jno]

well, I think she's right. People are going on about how Brexit hasn't damaged Britain at all, when it hasn't even started - they're still only thinking about doing something about deciding when to start.

Plus she seems (understandably) doubtful about the Brexit promises

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/04/theresa-may-refuses-to-guarantee-brexit-pledges-on-immigration-and-nhs

which is fair enough because she never made them herself, and if it all goes wrong she shouldn't carry the can for a situation not of her making.

I wish her luck, but I think she's right: it'll be hard going.

[EDDIE51]

Talbot, have you actually read the link?
It is in 'diplomatic language' but it is the nearest they can get to actually saying that Japanese companies will not want to stay in a non EU Britain , that is also out of the 'Free Market' European Trade Zone. May has been saying that we may have to accept being out of the free market in order to control EU immigration. She really is not making a good start!

[-Talbot-]

I didn't need to read the article to dismantle your opening gambit.

[Old_Geezer]

May have to ?
Perhaps she needs to leave the discussions to her gang of three.

[Davemano]

Probably the 'brexiters' haven't mentioned it is because the article is all ifs and buts, and only conveys what you want it to convey. all a

[anneasquith]

Ah yes, the gang of three!!!!!! I'm still not convinced Britain will leave the EU anytime soon.

[Davemano]

all a shouldn't be there at the end.

[jno]

I think it's fairly clear, Davemano: they're leaning on Britain to give them a good deal. Standard negotiating - but they do hold a strong card in that they don't have to stay in Britain if they don't want to.

Doubtless some will argue that Japan needs Britain more than Britain needs Japan, but I'm unconvinced. Are there more British cars in Japan than there are Japanese cars in Britain?

[-Talbot-]

The warning from Japan




Does Japan dictate to companies where they can set up shop or do companies decide for themselves?

[jno]

Miti used to have a huge say in what Japanese companies did. I think its successor Meti is less interventionist but still very influential.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_International_Trade_and_Industry

[vetuste_ennemi]

Infants cling to nurse; grown-ups don't. The fifth (still!) largest economy in the world, the biggest (I think) exporter per capita in the world, and a country which does 80% (at least) of its trade OUTSIDE the EU should have sufficient belief in itself that it can stand on its own two feet. It can trade successfully with the world without Brussel's help or hindrance while at the same time retaining its right to make its own laws.

Recasting the issue in moral terms: even if the propaganda of the self-serving EU commisariat (Bernard Connolly's term is "nomenklatura") and their lunch companions at the multi-national companies, EVEN IF, I repeat, why would any right-minded person want to trade a less prosperous freedom for a more prosperous servitude?

[Togo]

Err it happened today. How come a remainiac feels the need to post another surrender message at nearly midnight? Easy tell the Japs that if they mess us about, the tariffs on their goods go up and advise the British people not to buy Jap cars or goods. South Korea are ready to fill their place. Easy.

[EDDIE51]

Just a couple of points, there are VERY few British or any other non Japanese cars on the roads of Japan. It is considered unpatriotic to buy a foreign car.
Japan needs to sell into the entire European Free Market , it is far larger than the UK market. If as is now being threatened, we do leave not only the EU but the European Free Trade Zone as well the UK will no longer be a place where multi national companies will want to be based.. They will all move to mainland EU states where they will be welcomed with open arms, massive financial incentives and a huge free trade area.

[-Talbot-]

They will all move to mainland EU states




Have you got a link to that Fact?
Or are you just saying stuff?

[jim360]

Except in the highly unlikely event that Theresa May judges political suicide to be preferable to carrying out Brexit it's clearly going to happen now. It bothers me, and should bother everyone else, that we still don't have a clue what her intentions are yet. I'm cautiously optimistic that May having been a (closet) Remainiac means that her version of Brexit will end up being largely similar to my hopes, but then again I don't think that most Brexiters would be happy with the way I'd like things to be. More likely the deal we get will be the sort of compromise that ends up pissing everybody off and satisfying nobody in particular apart from big business.

But anyway. It stands to reason that, whatever Brexit now is, we had better make it work. I do believe that to be possible -- I even said so before the referendum. I also would have thought that it's possible in more than one way.

Whatever Brexit leads to, though, we'll still want to be an attractive place to set up business. As far as I can see, that means *not* taking the "well sod you then" attitude to any business that's worried about the UK leaving the single market, or some such. Even if Togo's right and new businesses would take their place, this would only leave us in the same position as before and not improve anything. Being friendly to the EU and opening trade to the wider world shouldn't be mutually exclusive options.

[EDDIE51]

Talbot The Japanese companies are in the UK for one reason only, so that they can export direct from UK to the entire European Trade area.
If we leave that European Trade Area ( as is now being suggested) they will no longer be able to export freely without tariffs,duties or restrictions if they stay in the UK. They will leave and set up somewhere where they do have unrestricted access the the European Trade Area. I have no links, there are none, but it does not take a genius to see that it will happen.

[Togo]

Are you saying that a free UK could not set even better trade deals and tax tariffs than the massively inefficient EUSSR? Ask the Irish and Apple what they think about the closed shop tax regime. Don't bother saying that the Germans would risk a trade war because BMW, Volkswagen, Audi etc etc will not allow that to happen. Neither will the majority of the German people. Germany runs the EUSSR remember and controls the Euro, the skin on your drum has gone slack Eddie.