100 Schoolchildren In Mass Brawl,....

[trt]

What the hell is going on with our Youths?

Up to "100 schoolchildren" were involved in a fight on a street when a mass brawl broke out, leaving two people needing hospital treatment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37415570

[Mamyalynne]

Agreed Ummmm - I also agree with your earlier point.

Mass brawls are alarming and ugly (especially as in this case with weapons) and usually comprise more lookers on than participants.

Still nasty to see.

[Old_Geezer]

All the more reason to change it so it's no longer true then, rather than support it.

[Mamyalynne]

Have you the proof from your personal experience with your own offspring that their teachers are not allowed to look sternly upon them, send them home, give detention or even exclude ??

[Old_Geezer]

You don't need me to do the digging out for you. There has been plenty off discussion on this site about it, and plenty of news reports about how you aren't allowed to do this nor that or get sued etc.. Teachers not getting the respect they need and unable to do much about it. The problem is that even a brawl such as reported in trt's link still brings folk out supporting the idea that discipline is a thing of the past.

[dannyk13]

Mally
///Talbot isn't Bradford and Liverpool upt north ?///
Any evidence of a mass brawl in Bradford?

[Mamyalynne]

I have agreed that such brawls are awful, disturbing and ugly - it didn't take place in the School with Teachers standing by unable to look sternly - it was on a nearby street.

It's a type of mass hysteria that has always existed and yes todays mobile technology makes the organising that much faster and brings more to gawk out of the woodwork.

Sick but true.

There is discipline in Schools and most parents accept what their children get, you only read of the ones who kick off not those who comply - so it'a mistake to make generalisations based on that.

I hope all who attended this melee are identified and dealt with.

[dannyk13]

I agree that they should all be found and punished, but what appropriate punishment is within the power of the schools? Also as the brawl was away from school maybe the schools will wash their hands of the matter.

[andy-hughes]

Old_Geezer - //The problem is that even a brawl such as reported in trt's link still brings folk out supporting the idea that discipline is a thing of the past. //

I don't think anyone would suggest that discipline is a thing of the past.

I would certainly join them in the suggestion that beating children and calling it 'discipline' is indeed a thing of the past, and exactly where it should stay.

[andy-hughes]

dannyk13 - //Also as the brawl was away from school maybe the schools will wash their hands of the matter. //

I think it less that they schools will 'wash their hands of the matter' - but rather that if the incident is not on school property, then the school is not empowered to act in terms of punishment.

[Sqad]

\\\I have agreed that such brawls are awful, disturbing and ugly - it didn't take place in the School with Teachers standing by unable to look sternly - it was on a nearby street. \\\

Oh! that fine then.......thank you for pointing that out.

\\\\t's a type of mass hysteria that has always existed and yes todays mobile technology makes the organising that much faster and brings more to gawk out of the woodwork. \\\

Well it may be "mass hysteria" but i question whether a disturbance of individuals like that in a quiet avenue in a middle class area of UK with baseball bats etc.....has always existed. Even post war WW2, we had newspapers and wireless communication and I cannot remember such a brawl especially in a leafy suburb like Erith.

//There is discipline in Schools and most parents accept what their children get, you only read of the ones who kick off not those who comply - so it'a mistake to make generalisations based on that. ///

True but one gets the impression that discipline is not working in many schools and teachers are being concerned about the allowed methods of discipline control ( just personal impressions borne of conversation, you understand)

[andy-hughes]

Sqad - //True but one gets the impression that discipline is not working in many schools and teachers are being concerned about the allowed methods of discipline control ( just personal impressions borne of conversation, you understand) //

The erosion of discipline in schools is an increasing issue, certainly not helped by a generation of parents who make an issue of their child's 'rights' by supporting them when they flout school rules and procedures.

Respect for teachers will come when respect is taught at home before children reach school - but that is becoming an increasingly rare concept, and society will continue to pay the price for that.

[Mamyalynne]

My comments don't make it alright, that would be a ridiculous notion .

Discipline is less physical than it was that is true, but how is it when I went to school the same people lined up day after day for their dose of the cane?

Was it working?

There are always going to be a number of pupils, some aided and abetted by their parents who seek to buck school rules - that saddens me as much as anyone.

[ummmm]

In my sons school if you're sent into isolation you are made to sit in a cubicle in complete silence facing the wall. Then the phone call home to the parents.

I'd rather get a slap!

[RandyMarsh]

one fight and the country is going to the dogs, two people needed hospital treatment, not even admitted.

[hc4361]

It was always the same kids lined up for a caning, it was a badge of honour and it certainly didn't make them behave. Didn't do much to help them respect authority, either.

The 'toughest' teachers were the ones who could control a class with a look, not with punishment.

[agchristie]

I remember there was one occasion when I was in junior school that a fight was organised with another local school one evening. There was a lot of kids involved in the mayhem that followed.

I shall never forget the following afternoon an impromptu assembly was called regarding the fight. The Head Teacher was apoplectic. I had never seen him so angry before or after, banging the lectern to hammer home every point. Under his leadership the reputation of the school, he said, would never again be sullied.

He was a frightening sight that day; it never happened again..

[jourdain2]

I haven't been able to access AB for days, really wanted to contribute (what's up Ed?) I get 'not responding due to long-running script'). We used to have mounted police outside our school at end of year. OH remembers kids coming from one village school to 'sort out' his schoolkids and that was in the 1940's.

People have a sentimental view of kids. People wonder why I was a dedicated teacher when I said that I didn't 'love' children, I don't - but I think they need the best education to civilise them that we can give them.
Babies are born totally selfish, gradually they are educated to become rounded people.

[douglas9401]

Most likely misunderstood, the little darlings.
Bored an' that, nuffink to do round here, ya feel me.

We probably need a tsar to sort it all out.

[Palustris]

There were frequent brawls like this where I grew up, between the Catholic secondary school and the non catholic secondary school. And some very unpleasant things were thrown. And both schools had corporal punishment which was rather too frequently used (Got the cane almost every day as a very naughty boy). Did not stop it happening.

[douglas9401]

"Any evidence of a mass brawl in Bradford?"

More likely to be a jummah brawl I'd say.