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Itv Extensive Coverage Of The Suffering Of The Innocent People Of Syria.
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As we switch on our Televisions to watch the ITV news we are constantly bombarded with the horrific scenes that are happening in Syria, specifically in the city of Aleppo, ITV have even started to announce the names of some of the children killed in the bombings.
One has to ask why?
Yes it is horrific and atrocious, but what can the ordinary viewer do about this appalling situation?
How much longer are these innocent people expected to endure this suffering, why don't their 'rebel' leaders hold up their hands and surrender to the overwhelming might of Russia and the Syrian forces?
As we switch on our Televisions to watch the ITV news we are constantly bombarded with the horrific scenes that are happening in Syria, specifically in the city of Aleppo, ITV have even started to announce the names of some of the children killed in the bombings.
One has to ask why?
Yes it is horrific and atrocious, but what can the ordinary viewer do about this appalling situation?
How much longer are these innocent people expected to endure this suffering, why don't their 'rebel' leaders hold up their hands and surrender to the overwhelming might of Russia and the Syrian forces?
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The Assad family have run Syria as a secular state since they siezed power. Whilst Syria is predominantly a muslim country, Assad did not want the clerics to have any say in the running of the country, he wanted all of that for his Ba'athist Party
The so called Syrian Rebels are Islamic Jihadists who want Syria to be run by Islamists on religious grounds. The world doesn't need another country like that.
The so called Syrian Rebels are Islamic Jihadists who want Syria to be run by Islamists on religious grounds. The world doesn't need another country like that.
// why don't they [the Syrian Rebels] just hold their hands up and surrender to a superior force? //
Until recently the Rebels had sole air support (from the US and UK) that nulified Assads ground superiority. That changed when the Russians entered the conflict and even things out in the air.
// if the West is all that concerned why don't we side with Russia and Syria and make sure these rebels surrender? //
The West are not concerned. Their objective is to remove Assad, remove Russias naval access to the Meditterean, install a US puppet Government in Syria. The Rebels, despite them being mostly foreigners and muslim extremists, are America's foot soldiers in this war.
Until recently the Rebels had sole air support (from the US and UK) that nulified Assads ground superiority. That changed when the Russians entered the conflict and even things out in the air.
// if the West is all that concerned why don't we side with Russia and Syria and make sure these rebels surrender? //
The West are not concerned. Their objective is to remove Assad, remove Russias naval access to the Meditterean, install a US puppet Government in Syria. The Rebels, despite them being mostly foreigners and muslim extremists, are America's foot soldiers in this war.
1940: a viewer from the Swiss town of Anwortenbank writes:
Every day we see horrific scenes of the bombing of London by German war planes. It quite spoils my muesli of a morning I can tell you.
Why don't the British simply give in to the superior might of the German Luftwaffe. Then we can all get on with our yodelling in peace.
(I hadn't heard of any RAF planes being involved in the bombing of Aleppo, but maybe that is all part of the conspiracy :-) )
Every day we see horrific scenes of the bombing of London by German war planes. It quite spoils my muesli of a morning I can tell you.
Why don't the British simply give in to the superior might of the German Luftwaffe. Then we can all get on with our yodelling in peace.
(I hadn't heard of any RAF planes being involved in the bombing of Aleppo, but maybe that is all part of the conspiracy :-) )
AOG - //It seems to me that the rebels are not concerned about all those innocents that the West is always showing concern for. //
Probably not. People who engage in warfare tend to adopt a sanguine attitude to death, military and civilian - it probably helps them to sleep at night.
//As I have previously suggested why don't they just hold their hands up and surrender to a superior force? //
Have you seen the film Gladiator AOG? I recommend it - excellent film.
At the beginning, the massed Roman army stands on a hillside in barbarian Germany. Their obvious crushing military machine is there in full view of the opposing barbarian hoards who stand in their way.
Apparently unbowed by this sight, the barbarian leader shouts in either High Or Low German, the equivalent of 'Come on if you think you're hard enough ...' to the Roman army.
The second in command of the Roman army advises his commander - "A people should know when they are conquered ..." to which the commander replies - "Would you?"
No protagonist in any war is simply going to hold up its hands and give in - it's not the way armies operate, anywhere, at any time, in barbarian Europe, in Nazi Germany, and not now in the Middle East.
//Even the evil Nazis had to surrender in the end. //
Indeed - but it was 'in the end' - six years after they started, and only when they could see that they had lost - just like the barbarian army in Gladiator, who were summarily vaporised - some literally - by the onslaught of Roman military might.
No, they will never surrender - who would?
Probably not. People who engage in warfare tend to adopt a sanguine attitude to death, military and civilian - it probably helps them to sleep at night.
//As I have previously suggested why don't they just hold their hands up and surrender to a superior force? //
Have you seen the film Gladiator AOG? I recommend it - excellent film.
At the beginning, the massed Roman army stands on a hillside in barbarian Germany. Their obvious crushing military machine is there in full view of the opposing barbarian hoards who stand in their way.
Apparently unbowed by this sight, the barbarian leader shouts in either High Or Low German, the equivalent of 'Come on if you think you're hard enough ...' to the Roman army.
The second in command of the Roman army advises his commander - "A people should know when they are conquered ..." to which the commander replies - "Would you?"
No protagonist in any war is simply going to hold up its hands and give in - it's not the way armies operate, anywhere, at any time, in barbarian Europe, in Nazi Germany, and not now in the Middle East.
//Even the evil Nazis had to surrender in the end. //
Indeed - but it was 'in the end' - six years after they started, and only when they could see that they had lost - just like the barbarian army in Gladiator, who were summarily vaporised - some literally - by the onslaught of Roman military might.
No, they will never surrender - who would?
It's the Middle East and a predominately Muslim area. History shows us there is no hope of any diplomacy working in the short, medium or long term. These are different factions of the same religion but all are fervent and power hungry.
IMHO once ISIS is destroyed, and it will be even if Daesh move on elsewhere then we should pull out and let them get on with it.
The problem with removing a dictator is that you open a real can of worms and even more die in the resulting power vacuum.
As to why the News keep tugging the heart strings is beyond me. I guess because the industry is full of lefty luvvies they want to indoctrinate us.
IMHO once ISIS is destroyed, and it will be even if Daesh move on elsewhere then we should pull out and let them get on with it.
The problem with removing a dictator is that you open a real can of worms and even more die in the resulting power vacuum.
As to why the News keep tugging the heart strings is beyond me. I guess because the industry is full of lefty luvvies they want to indoctrinate us.
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/// There isn't a military solution to this war.
Even Putin and Assad don't agree on what to do longer term (Putin wants a foothold in the region, Assad harbours fantasies of retaking the entire country, but Putin won't/can't deliver
that. ///
I really can't see that, here we have a whole civilian population who are about at breaking point, their cities, towns and villages almost wiped from the map, a rag tag load of rebels with no tanks, no aircraft, no heavy artillery etc. trying to oppose their government supported by one of the World's super powers.
There is only one outcome, why don't they admit it and save their people more suffering, by surrendering?
ichkeria
/// There isn't a military solution to this war.
Even Putin and Assad don't agree on what to do longer term (Putin wants a foothold in the region, Assad harbours fantasies of retaking the entire country, but Putin won't/can't deliver
that. ///
I really can't see that, here we have a whole civilian population who are about at breaking point, their cities, towns and villages almost wiped from the map, a rag tag load of rebels with no tanks, no aircraft, no heavy artillery etc. trying to oppose their government supported by one of the World's super powers.
There is only one outcome, why don't they admit it and save their people more suffering, by surrendering?
AOG - //I really can't see that, here we have a whole civilian population who are about at breaking point, their cities, towns and villages almost wiped from the map, a rag tag load of rebels with no tanks, no aircraft, no heavy artillery etc. trying to oppose their government supported by one of the World's super powers. //
Two words - Viet Nam.
The entire mechanised might of the American army was undone by a group of people who wanted nothing more than a space to grow rice, some shoes made from rubber tyres, and political independence.
You can never underestimate the army that fights for money against the army that fights for its home and its way of life.
Remember, one day the allies will go home, the rebels are already home, they just have to wait it out.
Two words - Viet Nam.
The entire mechanised might of the American army was undone by a group of people who wanted nothing more than a space to grow rice, some shoes made from rubber tyres, and political independence.
You can never underestimate the army that fights for money against the army that fights for its home and its way of life.
Remember, one day the allies will go home, the rebels are already home, they just have to wait it out.
AOG....."One has to ask why?"
When a Hospital is hit and destroyed by Assad/Putin, it isn't a mistake, or an error. Its entirely deliberate.......they are actually targeting Hospitals, which is a war crime and and a crime against humanity, in any way you would care to define it.
Assad has also been using chemical weapons on his own people, on a scale not seen since the depths of the First World War.
This is depravity on a grand scale, so we can expect our national media to keep us informed on a regular basis.
That is why. You would be the second person to start shouting if our media keep all this under wraps. Second, because I would be the first.
The next time one of our potential future world leaders praises Putin, like
Mr Trump for instance, perhaps he could be sat down in front of ITN, the BBC, Channel Four, etc, etc and made to watch the extensive coverage of this war.
When a Hospital is hit and destroyed by Assad/Putin, it isn't a mistake, or an error. Its entirely deliberate.......they are actually targeting Hospitals, which is a war crime and and a crime against humanity, in any way you would care to define it.
Assad has also been using chemical weapons on his own people, on a scale not seen since the depths of the First World War.
This is depravity on a grand scale, so we can expect our national media to keep us informed on a regular basis.
That is why. You would be the second person to start shouting if our media keep all this under wraps. Second, because I would be the first.
The next time one of our potential future world leaders praises Putin, like
Mr Trump for instance, perhaps he could be sat down in front of ITN, the BBC, Channel Four, etc, etc and made to watch the extensive coverage of this war.
Mikey, I asked you, on another thread, to consider this but you didn’t respond. Perhaps, since you’re so anti-Russian involvement, you’ll have a look at it now:
From Divebuddy: //Without Russian involvement, Assad would have been ousted and in all probability Syria would have been reduced to a wasteland by various warring factions. Just like Iraq and Libya.//
From me: //So the question is ‘Is that what Russia’s critics would have preferred to see happen - especially bearing in mind the presence of IS in the region?’//
From Divebuddy: //Without Russian involvement, Assad would have been ousted and in all probability Syria would have been reduced to a wasteland by various warring factions. Just like Iraq and Libya.//
From me: //So the question is ‘Is that what Russia’s critics would have preferred to see happen - especially bearing in mind the presence of IS in the region?’//
Of course there will be a diplomatic solution - just AFTER the military one. As I sais earlier, someone has to win, someone has to lose, this stalemate cannot go on for ever.
The Russians coming in full on, a year ago is finally showing results. The rebels will lose Aleppo within days, Islamic State are on the backfoot in the rest of Syria, the US are weary and have an election.
The minimum result that Moscow will allow is that it must have its naval and airbase secure. Assad wants the whole country, and that might be harder. Turkey will not allow the Kurds to come out with any territory, so Assad will get that back, Iraq are not interested in any of Syria, and they want Islamic State out of both countries. So Assad will get most of his country back, but a new front near to the Iraq border will rumble on for several more years.
The Russians coming in full on, a year ago is finally showing results. The rebels will lose Aleppo within days, Islamic State are on the backfoot in the rest of Syria, the US are weary and have an election.
The minimum result that Moscow will allow is that it must have its naval and airbase secure. Assad wants the whole country, and that might be harder. Turkey will not allow the Kurds to come out with any territory, so Assad will get that back, Iraq are not interested in any of Syria, and they want Islamic State out of both countries. So Assad will get most of his country back, but a new front near to the Iraq border will rumble on for several more years.
Talbot,
If you believe for one minute that the RAF drones mistook Assad's troops for Islamic State then you must be extremely naive.
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If you believe for one minute that the RAF drones mistook Assad's troops for Islamic State then you must be extremely naive.
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"From Divebuddy: //Without Russian involvement, Assad would have been ousted and in all probability Syria would have been reduced to a wasteland by various warring factions. Just like Iraq and Libya.// "
Whereas, WITH Russian involvement, Syria has been reduced ...
I leave you to fill in the rest :-)
"If you believe for one minute that the RAF drones mistook Assad's troops for Islamic State then you must be extremely naive."
(I thought it was Australian jets, if you are talking about the recent attack) I have heard it pointed out that the allies informed the Russians that that convoy was targeted and asked for confirmation that it was not a non-legitimate target. Confirmation/refutation came there none. I don't like conspiracy theories, so I will leave it at that :-)
Whereas, WITH Russian involvement, Syria has been reduced ...
I leave you to fill in the rest :-)
"If you believe for one minute that the RAF drones mistook Assad's troops for Islamic State then you must be extremely naive."
(I thought it was Australian jets, if you are talking about the recent attack) I have heard it pointed out that the allies informed the Russians that that convoy was targeted and asked for confirmation that it was not a non-legitimate target. Confirmation/refutation came there none. I don't like conspiracy theories, so I will leave it at that :-)
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