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Terror Suspect Death In Germany 'scandalous'
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My heart bleeds......saved the German taxpayer a fortune, bless him.
Well done to the 3 Syrians who captured him.
My heart bleeds......saved the German taxpayer a fortune, bless him.
Well done to the 3 Syrians who captured him.
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andy-hughes, // the loss of a life under these circumstance
16:30 Thu 13th Oct 2016
//Does the term 'Innocent until proved guilty' mean anything? //
///When police raided his flat in the eastern city of Chemnitz early on Saturday, they found 1.5kg of TATP, a home-made explosive used in the deadly jihadist attacks in Paris last year and in Brussels last March.///
Yes, we all keep a supply of that under the bed.
///When police raided his flat in the eastern city of Chemnitz early on Saturday, they found 1.5kg of TATP, a home-made explosive used in the deadly jihadist attacks in Paris last year and in Brussels last March.///
Yes, we all keep a supply of that under the bed.
jack - //I generally agree with that POV, andy, but given that al-Bakr decided to die rather than face German justice, it tends towards the view that he knew himself to be guilty. //
No argument there at all.
Emotionally, I entirely agree with the view that the world is undoubtedly a better place without him - loss of information and intelligence notwithstanding - but I do try and follow the notions of justice and fairness when I am able.
No argument there at all.
Emotionally, I entirely agree with the view that the world is undoubtedly a better place without him - loss of information and intelligence notwithstanding - but I do try and follow the notions of justice and fairness when I am able.
The only scandal is his scumbag lawyer. I hope the German SS look into his political allegiances. If he thinks that he is potentially very dangerous.
As for lost intel, he was detained on Monday so I'm sure the security services have already 'had a chat' (unless you are advocating waterboarding or similar?)
Justice? //Jaber al-Bakr, 22, strangled himself // So he topped himself, are you suggesting he should be tried for this? If he had been murdered I could sort of get your position.
As for lost intel, he was detained on Monday so I'm sure the security services have already 'had a chat' (unless you are advocating waterboarding or similar?)
Justice? //Jaber al-Bakr, 22, strangled himself // So he topped himself, are you suggesting he should be tried for this? If he had been murdered I could sort of get your position.
Baldric - //AH,
How many innocent people have
/// 1.5kg of TATP, a home-made explosive used in the deadly jihadist attacks///
in their flat I wonder?
Well rid imo. //
As I said, I do not for one minute suggest that Mr al Balkr is innocent, the evidence overhwmeingly indicates that he is not - but we don't judge and condemn on evidence, we do it through due process, and my regret is that there was not an opportunity for that to be exercised.
As Gromit succinctly indicated - lost intelligence, the absence of due process, and the possibility that Mr al Balkr's death adds credence to his vile cause are all regrets.
How many innocent people have
/// 1.5kg of TATP, a home-made explosive used in the deadly jihadist attacks///
in their flat I wonder?
Well rid imo. //
As I said, I do not for one minute suggest that Mr al Balkr is innocent, the evidence overhwmeingly indicates that he is not - but we don't judge and condemn on evidence, we do it through due process, and my regret is that there was not an opportunity for that to be exercised.
As Gromit succinctly indicated - lost intelligence, the absence of due process, and the possibility that Mr al Balkr's death adds credence to his vile cause are all regrets.
YMB - //The only scandal is his scumbag lawyer.//
Lawyers do not become 'scumbags' because they defend the potentially indefensible - they provide a valuable aspect of the operation of the law. That is doing a job, it does not automatically infer that every defence solicitor believes his or her client innocent, but rigorous testing of the prosecution's case is vital to ensure that justice is served. Without that we simply have a vigilante system of law.
Lawyers do not become 'scumbags' because they defend the potentially indefensible - they provide a valuable aspect of the operation of the law. That is doing a job, it does not automatically infer that every defence solicitor believes his or her client innocent, but rigorous testing of the prosecution's case is vital to ensure that justice is served. Without that we simply have a vigilante system of law.
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