Terror Suspect Death In Germany 'scandalous'

[ChillDoubt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37641263

My heart bleeds......saved the German taxpayer a fortune, bless him.

Well done to the 3 Syrians who captured him.

[andy-hughes]

YMB - //As for lost intel, he was detained on Monday so I'm sure the security services have already 'had a chat' (unless you are advocating waterboarding or similar?) //

No I am not advocating waterboarding or similar - the clue to the fact that I am not advocating it is shown in the absence of mentioning advocating it anywhere in any of my posts on this site, ever.

// Justice? //Jaber al-Bakr, 22, strangled himself // So he topped himself, are you suggesting he should be tried for this? If he had been murdered I could sort of get your position. //

I don't understand what you mean - how can he be tried for his own suicide?

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //andy-hughes
Does the term 'Innocent until proved guilty' mean anything?

Maybe not. //

Then it should.

// Have you smashed that jimmy savile mug yet?
or is he innocent too? //

I am astounded that you remember that I have a Savile mug - I have no idea why you retain such information!

And for the record, in the eyes of the law, yes, Mr Savile is innocent.

[youngmafbog]

Both you and Gromit made an inference of no justice. He chose not to face justice so I am at a lost as to what you are both banging on about, we apart from your usual defence of terrorists.

As for his brief, yes not all defence lawyers are complicit. But using the statement 'scandalous' surely takes him into the bracket of sympathy for the cause rather than defending justice. If he was murdered a different story.

[-Talbot-]

andy-hughes
I am astounded that you remember that I have a Savile mug - I have no idea why you retain such information!
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It's a gift


andy-hughes

And for the record, in the eyes of the law, yes, Mr Savile is innocent.

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That leads me to believe you haven't. Which I find puzzling.

[andy-hughes]

YMB - //Both you and Gromit made an inference of no justice. He chose not to face justice so I am at a lost as to what you are both banging on about, we apart from your usual defence of terrorists. //

I have not made 'an inference' about the absence of justice, I have stated it.

The reason why Mr al-Bakr escaped justice is not the issue, it is a fact that he has escaped it.

As to your reference of 'defence of terrorists' - I have never ever defended any terrorist anywhere, and I take strong offence at your assertion that I have done so.

//As for his brief, yes not all defence lawyers are complicit. But using the statement 'scandalous' surely takes him into the bracket of sympathy for the cause rather than defending justice. If he was murdered a different story. //

It does nothing of the kind.

The lawyer's opinion that the death was scandalous is due to the fact that the prisoner was assessed as a suicide risk, but was still insufficiently monitored to a point where he was able to take his own life.

That is not at all connected with the reason why the prisoner was in the prison - merely that he died when he should not have done - a fact that the Justice Minister agreed should not have happened.

It's all in the OP link - have another read of it.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //That leads me to believe you haven't. Which I find puzzling. //

That leads me to believe that it is none of your business, and it also leads me to believe that I care less than nothing about what you think.

[-Talbot-]

Obviously.

That won't however stop me being puzzled why anyone would retain such an item.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //Obviously.

That won't however stop me being puzzled why anyone would retain such an item. //

Well since you have no proof whether I have retained it or not, would your time not better be spent addressing the point of the thread, instead of another mean-spirited and pointless exchange that is personal and irrelevant/

[Zacs-Master]

'insufficiently monitored to a point where he was able to take his own life.'

could the word 'deliberately' prefix the above sentence?

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - //'insufficiently monitored to a point where he was able to take his own life.'

could the word 'deliberately' prefix the above sentence? //

Quite possibly.

[Gromit]

Ymb,

Hilter evaded justice (Godwin's law exemption card waved)
Dr Shipman evaded justice.
Robert Maxwell did the same.

When criminals do not have to face the consequences of their crimes, there is a feeling they have cheated their victims. While the death of a villain may be satisfactory, the lack of any punishment is not.

[Zacs-Master]

Well, whatever the reason, I feel the world to be a slightly better place today for his expunging.

[andy-hughes]

divebuddy - //From the link....//What went wrong at the jail?//

Nothing, as far as I can see. Quite the opposite in fact. //

Jails are designed to keep prisoners safe and secure until they are tried or released.

They are not designed to be places where prisoners can take their own lives - however abhorrent their accusations may be - they remain innocent in the eyes of the law until tried and convicted.

So there is obviously something wrong with the jail procedures, and I know that you are being flippant with your response, but the loss of a life under these circumstances does not, in my view, benefit society, in spite of the emotive thought that it actually does

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, // the loss of a life under these circumstances does not, in my view, benefit society//

The loss of that life under any circumstances benefits society - in my view.