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How Main Remainers Have Now Changed Their Mind?
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We've have 6 months of howling and wriggling from the SGB but it seems there are some remain voters that regret not voting to leave themselves.
We've have 6 months of howling and wriggling from the SGB but it seems there are some remain voters that regret not voting to leave themselves.
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Namoi It goes with what I heard in my 'corner shop' run by Pakistani Muslims. (I have posted this before and been told 'I must have made it up or been dreaming)
On the morning of the 24th June I was in the shop and so were a group of Mums on the way home from dropping the kids at school.
One of them said loudly '' We are getting out of the EU, now all you immigrants will have to go home'' The others all cheered and even clapped. Then one of them asked the Muslim shopkeeper for a packet of cigarettes on credit as she was 'short of cash' the shopkeeper smilingly agreed and handed over 20 fags.
I just could not believe what I had just heard and seen . I waited until the group had left and went to apologise to the shopkeeper and assure him that not all of us shared their view. He just laughed it off saying they didn't really mean it.
Also on the previous day while I was queuing to vote, there were a lot of pension age people in the queue. The conversation was all about how they were intending voting ' Leave! to get rid of the bl***dy immigrants'
I just wish I had taken the hint and put a few £s on Leave winning,( it was 10 to 1 at Midnight on the 23rd June)
If I had added those people to my list of those who voted Leave 'To get rid of forieners and immigrants ' it would be more like 25 people!
On the morning of the 24th June I was in the shop and so were a group of Mums on the way home from dropping the kids at school.
One of them said loudly '' We are getting out of the EU, now all you immigrants will have to go home'' The others all cheered and even clapped. Then one of them asked the Muslim shopkeeper for a packet of cigarettes on credit as she was 'short of cash' the shopkeeper smilingly agreed and handed over 20 fags.
I just could not believe what I had just heard and seen . I waited until the group had left and went to apologise to the shopkeeper and assure him that not all of us shared their view. He just laughed it off saying they didn't really mean it.
Also on the previous day while I was queuing to vote, there were a lot of pension age people in the queue. The conversation was all about how they were intending voting ' Leave! to get rid of the bl***dy immigrants'
I just wish I had taken the hint and put a few £s on Leave winning,( it was 10 to 1 at Midnight on the 23rd June)
If I had added those people to my list of those who voted Leave 'To get rid of forieners and immigrants ' it would be more like 25 people!
Eddie...I have had similar experiences, since the Referendum was announced.
It has mostly, but not exclusively comes from the same sort of people....the ones that refer to getting a pint of milk, as "going down the P******"
I heard similar things on some occasions, from the long-term work-shy, who blame "bloody immigrants" ( mostly Poles ) on their inability to obtain and keep a job.
One chap, who lived in Merthyr Tydfil, who had been "on the dole" for at least 10 years, complained about the meat packing place up the road ( St. Merryn Meat Ltd ) where "all the Poles work"
I asked him if he had any Polish friends. He looked at me as if I were mad !
"Polish friends ? " What would I want Polish friends for ?
"Well, I said, perhaps if you did, you could ask them if there was any jobs going at the place where they worked ?"
These kind of views are widespread, especially amongst the less well educated.
It has mostly, but not exclusively comes from the same sort of people....the ones that refer to getting a pint of milk, as "going down the P******"
I heard similar things on some occasions, from the long-term work-shy, who blame "bloody immigrants" ( mostly Poles ) on their inability to obtain and keep a job.
One chap, who lived in Merthyr Tydfil, who had been "on the dole" for at least 10 years, complained about the meat packing place up the road ( St. Merryn Meat Ltd ) where "all the Poles work"
I asked him if he had any Polish friends. He looked at me as if I were mad !
"Polish friends ? " What would I want Polish friends for ?
"Well, I said, perhaps if you did, you could ask them if there was any jobs going at the place where they worked ?"
These kind of views are widespread, especially amongst the less well educated.
Fascinating as this all is, does it really matter why people voted the way they did? After all, nobody asks the same questions after a General Election.
The electorate was provided with equal shovels full of information and mis-information from both sides. They made up their minds on what they believed or did not believe from what they were told and also (more importantly) what they had experienced (that being considerably more reliable than the bilge and drivel often fed to them by politicians and “experts”). Yes Mikey, some people would prefer to see fewer foreigners being allowed to settle here. They saw leaving the EU as one way towards achieving that (then at least we will not have uncontrolled migration from within the EU). They are not bordering on being racists or xenophobes. They do not hate foreigners and do not object to their presence on the grounds of race. They want to see fewer of them because they believe that the UK does not have sufficient resources, services and infrastructure to support a third of a million (net) new arrivals each year. The people you and Eddie describe are not typical of those with such views.
Why do you castigate someone for having no Polish friends, Mikey? I have no Polish friends and if faced with the same question my reply would be the same: “Why should I?” I also have no friends from Liverpool and none from Jamaica.
I cast my vote to leave for a number of reasons and the above was just one of them (I’ve explained ad nauseum a number of times my full reasoning). But I’m not bordering on being a racist or xenophobe. I just believe the people already in the UK (of all nationalities and races) deserve to have the infrastructure and facilities they do have protected from further intolerable stress.
The electorate was provided with equal shovels full of information and mis-information from both sides. They made up their minds on what they believed or did not believe from what they were told and also (more importantly) what they had experienced (that being considerably more reliable than the bilge and drivel often fed to them by politicians and “experts”). Yes Mikey, some people would prefer to see fewer foreigners being allowed to settle here. They saw leaving the EU as one way towards achieving that (then at least we will not have uncontrolled migration from within the EU). They are not bordering on being racists or xenophobes. They do not hate foreigners and do not object to their presence on the grounds of race. They want to see fewer of them because they believe that the UK does not have sufficient resources, services and infrastructure to support a third of a million (net) new arrivals each year. The people you and Eddie describe are not typical of those with such views.
Why do you castigate someone for having no Polish friends, Mikey? I have no Polish friends and if faced with the same question my reply would be the same: “Why should I?” I also have no friends from Liverpool and none from Jamaica.
I cast my vote to leave for a number of reasons and the above was just one of them (I’ve explained ad nauseum a number of times my full reasoning). But I’m not bordering on being a racist or xenophobe. I just believe the people already in the UK (of all nationalities and races) deserve to have the infrastructure and facilities they do have protected from further intolerable stress.
NJ......"I have no Polish friends"
No, you probably haven't but you are not belly-aching about being out of work, because all the Polish have taken all the jobs.
But that is what he was saying, Just like countless other lazy, workshy people are saying....blaming the immigrant because they can't or won't find a job.
And its these very people that voted to LEAVE. They voted that way because they mistakenly thought that when Britain is rid of foreigners, everything will be OK again.
No, you probably haven't but you are not belly-aching about being out of work, because all the Polish have taken all the jobs.
But that is what he was saying, Just like countless other lazy, workshy people are saying....blaming the immigrant because they can't or won't find a job.
And its these very people that voted to LEAVE. They voted that way because they mistakenly thought that when Britain is rid of foreigners, everything will be OK again.
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I just want to say that I DID NOT make up or dream the story about the 'ladies' in the corner shop or the pensioners in the polling station. I only wish I had made it up. I have never felt so embarrased by my 'fellow citizens' ever before . For a 'lady' to tell a shopkeeper that he would be soon be 'sent home' and then a few seconds later to ask him for free credit was just unbelievable! I actually wish he had told her to leave the shop! I certainly would have done so.
//When I look through AB past posts I notice a significant correlation between the ID's of the most vocal 'Brexiters' and the most vocal 'Anti Immigrant' posters. Or am I making it up again?//
Probably, but then again if I looked through the most fixated Remoaners would I find AB posters who are from families who have recently moved to Britain? Or have been raised to despise Britain? I suppose so, if that is what I wanted to deduce it would be so.
To answer 3T's op headline question. You can only change your socks when you have a clean pair.
Probably, but then again if I looked through the most fixated Remoaners would I find AB posters who are from families who have recently moved to Britain? Or have been raised to despise Britain? I suppose so, if that is what I wanted to deduce it would be so.
To answer 3T's op headline question. You can only change your socks when you have a clean pair.
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