Is This Deliberately Divisive?

[Togo]

and an attack on the sovereignty of Britain? If people want to retain EU citizenship will we want them to prove it by moving to the EU zone?

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/european-parliament-considers-plan-to-let-individual-brits-opt-in-to-keep-their-eu-citizenship/ar-AAk3yZb?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=iehp

[cassa333]

Only briefly read thebegining of the article but how would these people fund their part of the eu? How could they claim money or grants from the eu if it did not benefit other eu members? How would they then be able to be British and all that entails?

It is just farcical to say the least. Mind you Scotland could do it on mass.

[woofgang]

I don’t see how its discrimination or an attack.....surely brexiters don’t want those things? Nowhere in the article does it say that the UK would need to do any kind of quid pro quo. I don’t see it as workable though

[woofgang]

or even en masse

[Togo]

Well perhaps Britain will reciprocate and say.... in that case we take it that you have rescinded British citizenship. Then when the pyramid scheme goes pear shaped they would be stateless. The Scots taking up EU citizenship could be a bonus though. No more referendums needed.. Result.

[New Judge]

I’m in two minds (which is unusual for me).

My first reaction, having read the first bit of the article was “Why not?”. If UK citizens want, for some unfathomable reason, to retain “EU Citizenship” then that’s up to them. (Although “EU Citizenship” is not a concept I accept. The EU, not being a nation on its own, cannot really have citizens. In the same way that only independent nations can issue passports, citizenship can only be granted by independent nations. However, a trifle pedantic as far as this question goes). So long as the measure does not confer any special rights to citizens from other EU nations as far as the UK is concerned, of course. And there’s the danger; the EU does now’t for now’t and they will surely be looking at some reciprocal measure from the UK.

But then I read this within the article:

“…and young people looking to flee an increasingly insular UK”

That description could not be further from the truth. In seeking independence from the EU the UK is actually reaching out to the rest of the world, looking to rid itself of an increasingly inward looking, protectionist, interventionist and centralised EU bureaucracy. The Euromaniacs still don’t seem to recognise those shortcomings.

[New Judge]

An interesting take when you mention them being "stateless", Togo.

As I said, they will not be entitled to a passport from anywhere other than the UK and they will not be "citizens" of the EU (for no such concept exists). All it will mean is they will have the right to settle in other EU countries. People from the UK lived and worked in the rest of Europe long before the EU was even thought of. So I don't really know what they expect to gain.

[Togo]

Jayne Adye, director of the Get Britain Out campaign described the proposal as divisive and said it was “totally unacceptable” for British people to retain the advantages of EU membership.
“This is an outrage. The EU is now attempting to divide the Great British Public at the exact moment we need unity. 17.4 million people voted to ‘Leave’ the EU on June 23rd and as a result the UK as a whole will get Brexit,” she said.
“Brexit means laws which impact the people of the UK will be created by accountable politicians in Westminster. It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole.
“Discriminating against people based on their political views shows there are no depths the EU will not sink to.”

Another quote from the link.

[EDDIE51]

Sounds great, you can count me in if it goes through!

[ToraToraTora]

Not really makes no difference at all. If anyone wants to go to the EU zone then great that's up to them.

[-Talbot-]

Do you work in Europe EDDIE?

[EDDIE51]

No, but I live very near( and often work at) the Cambridge Science parks. They depend totally on being able to send staff to and bring them in from the EU with no more formality than getting on a bus to town. Any restriction on travel is going to be awkward at the least. One site I work at has a 'sister' site in France, some people work some of the week in the UK and the rest in France , constant travel with no restriction is vital!

[Zacs-Master]

The arrogance of the statement 'will we want them to prove it by moving to the EU zone?' is quite staggering. Who are 'we'?

[naomi24]

EDDIE, why do you think exit from the EU will mean restrictions in travel? We'll still travel to Europe and Europeans will still come here. We and they always have and we and they always will.

[naomi24]

Sorry, I didn't answer the question. Yes, it is deliberately divisive, but I suspect the powers that be will eventually end up climbing up their own bottom. They're halfway there now.

[EDDIE51]

Yes naomi, but it will not and can not, be totally unrestricted as it is now!
That is the entire point! The places I work at need totally unrestricted travel for all EU citizens throughout the EU.
We are looking at a 'hard Brexit' with restrictions on travel , as I said last night 'control of borders' is the second biggest reason people voted 'Leave'

[Peter Pedant]

// If people want to retain EU citizenship will we want them to prove it by moving to the EU zone? //

or prove it by growing a pair of wings ?
or pupate ?
or turn one side of their bodies green and the other half blue ?

who can tell: we will have to wait

nothing wrong at all for those who wish to preserve their rights ( to free movement ) to register the interest

and yet again the two minds of New Judge seems to have failed to recollect that the Irish rights were exactly as stated after 1922.

de oirish could opt for Oirish Free State nationality or British nationality if they wished ( not many in the republic did )
they had free movement ( as now ) and could vote here if they lived here and registered

so nothing has changed and it has all been done before
The rights should be heritable for at least one generation possibly two ( you could claim British nationality if you could show one grandparent was born in Ireland before 1922 ) - so it strikes me as a good idea. in case your kids have attacks of sanity

Doesnt strike me the amendment will pass tho'

but if it did and they later required you to move there
and you didnt want to
then you give up that nationality duuuuuh.

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi, the EU’s removed the bi-lateral restrictions on air service agreements and the introduction of more open competition on routes between Union countries. Now that Britain is leaving the EU, arrangements will have to be made for new air service agreements if British airlines like easyJet, are to continue operate freely all over the EU, and Irish airlines, like Ryanair, or German airlines like German Wings, are to continue to fly in and out of the UK without restrictions.

[naomi24]

Zacs-Master, // arrangements will have to be made //

Arrangements will be made.

[Peter Pedant]

oh OK that's good

as with Brexit as ever - arrangements will always be made and no one has the first idea what they might be and when the agreement will be reached ( and with whom )

[naomi24]

.... and the end of the world is nigh! Oh, woe is us!! Do get a grip!