Rogue Labour And Libdem Mps Prepared To Thwart The Will Of The People..

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37944473
It'll be bye bye to them in those seats next election then.

[jno]

if their constitutents voted Remain then their MPs should do the same. They are not there to enforce The Will Of The People, but to represent their own electorate.

[ToraToraTora]

in most cases i'd agree jno but these are different circumstances.

[jim360]

The will of the people was 52% for Leave and 48% for remain -- I would have thought this means that at least some MPs should represent the "remain" side. Of course, the vote should still be in favour of triggering Article 50, but if it is unanimous then it isn't representing the people.

[jno]

no, the parliamentary system has not been restructured. MPs are elected by locals and must represent them. I have no idea how the constituency where I lived voted, but I would expect my MP to vote the same way, whether or not it reflects my own personal views.

[ToraToraTora]

fair enough jim I'd settle for that but I still reserve the right to berate the dissenters.

[Togo]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uselection/donald-trump-could-still-not-become-president-because-of-%e2%80%98faithless-electors%e2%80%99-and-the-electoral-college/ar-AAk9Lcn?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=iehp

The same shady "Democratic" mind set has manifested itself in America too .

[jim360]

Sure, you have the right. I just think you shouldn't.

If it's enough to tip the balance and lead to a rejection of invoking Article 50, then I would have every sympathy if you were outraged. Someone has to speak for the 48%, though.

[ToraToraTora]

faithless electors are rare and they'd need about 40 to overturn result.

[jim360]

w.r.t Togo's post, I mentioned that in a thread yesterday. It is, however, enshrined in the US constitution that the electoral college is free to choose its own president, if it so wishes. Given how dear many on the Republican right of the US hold to their constitution, it would be ironic indeed if they suddenly stopped liking it when the outcome didn't suit them.

However, really it's just a technicality -- rather like this one, in fact. Due process should be observed, and people shouldn't be upset or angry when it is.

[cassa333]

If we look at the constituencies which ones predominantly votes in or out?

Surely that is the minimum out vote for the MPs. However if they remainers are true to their word of not frustrating Bretix it should go through without too much of a hitch.

[Khandro]

Tim Farron not only looks like a twelve-year-old boy, he has the political sophistication of one.
(apologies to all 12-year-old boys)

[gulliver1]

Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear, this will rock a few boats on A/B, eh!.
It could be bye bye to something else.

[ludwig]

Perhaps it would have been better organised that way in the first place :- Each parliamentary constituency has it's own Brexit referendum and produces it's own leave or remain verdict.

Every MP is then mandated to vote that way on a Brexit vote in the commons.

That may well have produced a different overall verdict in the first place, who knows, but at least we wouldn't have all this squirming about trying to renege on the promise, that will probably drag on for years to come.

[naomi24]

MPs should represent their constituents. Leave polled the most strongly in 270 counting areas, with Remain coming first in 129.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

Carried.

[dannyk13]

MP's only represent their constituencies when it suits them.How often as your MP asked your opinion about anything?

[gulliver1]

Why are the Brigade of leavers, on A/B so frightened for the MPs to have this vote ??.

[Gromit]

My MP is a remainer, but the constituency had one of the biggest Leave votes in the country. He should vote to invoke, but will he?

The remain MPs had a sizeable majority at Referendum time, but a majority of people still voted out. Interesting to see how this pans out.

[naomi24]

^Because they know that many of their elected representatives will renege on their duty to represent their constituents.

[naomi24]

^That was to gulliver1.

[mushroom25]

wonder if any of the current labour mps under threat of deselection by the corbynista party executive might be able to save their skins by tactical voting in this matter?