Judge's Verdict - Cryogenics Case 14Yo

[agchristie]

Has the judge's heart ruled his head?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3947826/Teenager-cancer-victim-14-British-child-cryogenically-frozen-winning-court-battle-against-father.html

[Bertrum]

Yes he probably did but she did die with hope in her heart god rest her soul

[murraymints]

wrong on so many levels..notwitstanding cost this process has never been taken to conclusion and medical opinion is that any tissue preserved as such will turn to mush and not be recoverable..dead brain cells will always be dead !!

[mikey4444]

Cryogenics belongs in science fiction, not a Court of Law.

But as I understand this case, it was all about which parent would have precedence when it came to deciding what happened to the child's body after death, and the Judge decided in favour of the resident parent.

So its not really about cryogenics at all.

[agchristie]

From link:-

"But the process is hugely controversial, especially with scientists and doctors, because it has never been possible to successfully revive a human or any mammal frozen in this way."

Does anyone believe that it will one day be possible?

[CrapAtCryptics]

While the young ladies passing is very sad this is wrong for so many reasons. She should have accepted her lot in life and not saddled her estranged parents with no closure and an ongoing expense. There is no guarantee the procedure will work and its ill conceived. Her care will eat up any money left to her and she`ll come out the other end, if it does work, moneyless, a total dinosaur and with no understanding of that world and its advancements. Trying to beat death is selfish in the extreme in my opinion.

[mikey4444]

No, I don't agchristie. As I see it, all the cryogenics storage facilities are in America, which should speak volumes.

[agchristie]

Mr Justice Jackson said he had made decisions relating to a dispute between parents - not about the rights and wrongs of cryogenic preservation.

But he has suggested that ministers might consider 'proper regulation' of cryonic preservation and revealed that the management of the London hospital she died in had misgivings about her wish.

[vulcan42]

Crapatcryptics, I agree with a lot of what you say but a 14 year old facing death might see it a little differently.

[EDDIE51]

I can never see a time when a frozen body can be resurrected, possibly the 'body' could be but never the brain and it's memory.
These cryogenic companies are a con selling something they can never deliver. What happens when the payments are not kept up as will surely happen eventually? Would you keep paying to keep a dead relative in a deep freeze for decades or even centuries?

[mikey4444]

I agree Eddie....its all a big con, What a pity this young girl should have been encouraged to believe in it.

It is said that the girl did some research into cryogenics, in the weeks before her death. I wonder if this site was on her research list ?

https://www.alcor.org/

Based in Arizona. They do "tours" apparently.

[naomi24]

Yes, I think his heart probably has ruled his head. Hearing a dying child voice the hope “that one day she could be cured and woken up”, I fail to understand how anyone wouldn’t be profoundly touched. That brings tears to my eyes. Quite heart-breaking.

[jno]

did anyone once believe that heart transplants would be possible?

[Sqad]

I can't see the problem here.
The daughter want to be cryogenically frozen, the mother was in agreement.......the £37,000 was available and all the judge did was to find in favour of the mother,

Mother happy, daughter dead and happy, father will not be around in 200years to re-voice his opinion, so what is the problem?

[vulcan42]

For cryogenics to have any chance of working at all, shouldn't the body be frozen before death occurs?

[Sqad]

Vulcan LOL...that would certainly be a better deal, but wouldn't that come under the classification of ...MURDER?

[vulcan42]

I suppose we are dealing with semantics here but to murder somebody is to deprive them of life, to cryogenically freeze somebody before death is, supposedly, to extend life.

[Lunol]

Soo the family have no grave to visit, no beautiful place to visit where her ashes were scattered to grieve and reminisce but have to fork out on thousands to visit a cold steel tube to look at?

Reminds me of Futurama, maybe in the future if head transplants are successful and cryogenics have come a long way and realise they just need the head we all could have mini cryo units with our loved ones heads in our homes.

[Sqad]

Lunol....exactly.....and that is what mother and daughter wanted,

Instead of going to the grave every Sunday and standing over a decayed corpse buried beneath them, they go, if they want , to a Cylinder in which there is the frozen body, intact, of their daughter.

[agchristie]

Lunol > we all could have mini cryo units with our loved ones heads in our homes.

I don't think I could face that prospect!