Should Labour Be Concerned?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38125432
Clearly Labour are on their knees at the moment so can UKIP pick up more disaffected Labour voters? Labour Voters in the North are particularly unrepresented at the moment.

[Gromit]

UKIP have always insisted that they are after Labour votes, but in reality they always do better in Conservative constituencies.

Not sure voters, Labour or Conservative, see any future in UKIP. They are grateful that they got us out of the EU, but don't really see the point. UKIP are a one policy party, and that policy has been concluded.

Labour obviously still have a lot of problems in terms of leadership, but its support is pretty solid.

[Baldric]

Hard choice isn't it,
I mean who wouldn't want an ageing '70's Union Rep and Labour Activist running the Country (into the ground, as has become a habit with them)?
Me for starters.

[ichkeria]

The policy hasn't been concluded tho has it?
UKIP's chief issue now is that without Farage at the helm they will simply fall apart, regardless of Brexit.
Both the main parties are in serious trouble tho over the aftershock of the referendum: there are serious divisions and with parliamentary scrutiny hopefully applied to the negotiations (best Pte Fraser accent) they'll be exposed!!! Dan Jarvis has called on Labour to accept Brexit and be tougher on immigration. The Corbynites on the left and the freer traders on the right don't like that. So UKIP can still do damage potentially in selected high profile seats if only by taking votes away from one or other or both of these divided parties and causing unpredictability.
If I was Nuttall I'd abandon the idea of UKIP as a national party at elections and target specific seats. That is that they should have done anyway under Farage.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit; "UKIP are a one policy party, and that policy has been concluded. " - yes perhaps you can help mikey comprehend that!

Ich, yes I tend to agree there is no point having and independence party when they have already achieved their aim. Perhaps they should re focus.

[naomi24]

gromit; //UKIP are a one policy party, and that policy has been concluded.\\

Not according to their new leader. In his speech today he said that if Brexit isn't going the way Leavers want it to go - and that means out completely - UKIP will fight on to achieve that.

[TWR]

I would also think the Tories are at loggerheads as well, they have no idea how to handle the Bretix.

[naomi24]

Thank God it's not Labour trying to handle it!!

[Baldric]

Yes indeed, we must be grateful for that Naomi.

[TWR]

I agree Naomi, the lot of them are a load of D. Heads, D.Heads at our expense.

[hereIam]

Would vote UKIP. Was always a Labour supporter, but no way while Corbyn is the leader !

[mikey4444]

TTT....why should Labour be afraid of Mr Nuttall ?

Like most of UKIP's higher echelons, he started life as a Tory, managing to get a paltry 4.1% of the popular vote in "Bootle" in 2005.

Changing his allegiance to UKIP ready for the 2011 By-Election, he came forth to Labours first, in "Oldham East and Saddleworth", with just 5.8% of the vote.

In 2015, he contested the "Bootle" seat, yet again,( he never learns does he ? ) and managed to achieve his best vote to date, of 10.9%, but failing utterly to get anywhere near Labour total of 74.5% !

At this rate, you and I will be very old men before he gets anywhere in the North West. After all, his mentor, Farage, tried 7 times to get into Parliament and failed every time.

So....not sure why Labour should be wary of Mr Nuttall at all.

[-Talbot-]

So....not sure why Labour should be wary of Mr Nuttall at all.




I agree

... Labour should be wary of Mr Corbyn.

[Jackdaw33]

Nice one, Talbot.

[mikey4444]

Once Farages's flight lands at JFK, or Miami, or where ever he lands in the States, open warfare will start up again within UKIP, as it has on a permanent basis for many years.

[mikey4444]

If UKIP really is such a threat to the Labour Party, why has Nuttall done so badly in the three Elections he has fought in the North West ?

[Orderlimit]

I think the first post by Gromit is very much in touch with reality but Labour are not getting any new voters, only hanging onto their last few docile idiots and a small wave of hard-left fools who know nowt else. Interesting times ahead.

[mikey4444]

UKIP only has one seat at Westminster Orderlimt.......to be Her Majesties Loyal Opposition, they will need more than one seat.

Just how are they going to achieve that in 2020 ?

[EDDIE51]

Why would a Labour voter change their allegiance to a party that is even further away from 'Labour Ideals' than the Conservatives are ??
The nearest party in outlook to Labour is the Liberal Democrats, so why not change to them? They have a realistic chance of gaining enough seats to actually affect government which UKIP certainly will not do.

[naomi24]

Eddie, I get the impression that Labour is even further away from 'Labour Ideals' than the Conservatives are - but not to worry. Keep kidding yourself. You too Mikey. ;o)

[Gromit]

Cut to the chase, UKIP peaked in 2015 when they won just 1 seat (a recycled Tory one).
It is downhill from now on. Carswell will probably defect back to to the Conservatives soon, so they will be down to nowt.