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Was Margaret Thatcher Right?
I confess that during the 80's I was opposed to much of what she was doing, but I now think, with the luxury of hindsight, that I have to agree with Niall Ferguson, do you agree?
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continues; ' Perhaps seeking to compensate for that move, she later that month delivered one of her most famous statements of opposition to the European project, a piece of bombast that began a sequence of events that would ultimately force her from office.
Jacques Delors, then the president of the European Commission and a staunch federalist, had called for democratic power in Europe to rest with the European Parliament. In the Commons, Lady Thatcher denounced the proposal in ringing tones. “No, No, No,” she declared.
That speech is still celebrated by many Conservatives, but at the time, widened the Tories’ European rift dangerously.
Two days later, Sir Geoffrey resigned as deputy prime minister, making clear he could not tolerate her stridently anti-European tone.
His resignation ended her time as Prime Minister. It was Europe, the issue for which many Conservatives still glorify her achievements, that led them to ditch her.
Jacques Delors, then the president of the European Commission and a staunch federalist, had called for democratic power in Europe to rest with the European Parliament. In the Commons, Lady Thatcher denounced the proposal in ringing tones. “No, No, No,” she declared.
That speech is still celebrated by many Conservatives, but at the time, widened the Tories’ European rift dangerously.
Two days later, Sir Geoffrey resigned as deputy prime minister, making clear he could not tolerate her stridently anti-European tone.
His resignation ended her time as Prime Minister. It was Europe, the issue for which many Conservatives still glorify her achievements, that led them to ditch her.
I'm with Jo here, and others.
She presided over mass unemployment, and that ludicrous plan to sell off every council house, thus ensuring that we have the housing crisis of today.
She sold off every national assert that wasn't firmly nailed down, thus we now have very expensive water, gas and electric bills. Her successors privatised the railways, thus we now have a very expensive transport system, that doesn't even work very well.
On another thread this morning, we are seeing the long term consequences of one of her flag-ship policies....."Care in the Community"
The selling off of national care assets that used to provide for our sick and ill, but are now blocks of luxury flats or "executive" housing estates, where nobody but the wealthy can afford to live.
If you were middle class, she was wonderful, but if you were poor, old or disadvantaged, she was the pits........Ghastly woman.
She presided over mass unemployment, and that ludicrous plan to sell off every council house, thus ensuring that we have the housing crisis of today.
She sold off every national assert that wasn't firmly nailed down, thus we now have very expensive water, gas and electric bills. Her successors privatised the railways, thus we now have a very expensive transport system, that doesn't even work very well.
On another thread this morning, we are seeing the long term consequences of one of her flag-ship policies....."Care in the Community"
The selling off of national care assets that used to provide for our sick and ill, but are now blocks of luxury flats or "executive" housing estates, where nobody but the wealthy can afford to live.
If you were middle class, she was wonderful, but if you were poor, old or disadvantaged, she was the pits........Ghastly woman.
No Togo. They were sold off knock-down prices though.
The basic error with the Plan, was that local councils, who owned the properties, were forbidden from using the money raised, to build replacement homes.
A huge error in fact, widely acknowledge even by some of our Tory voters on AB, as can be seen every time the subject is brought up.
The basic error with the Plan, was that local councils, who owned the properties, were forbidden from using the money raised, to build replacement homes.
A huge error in fact, widely acknowledge even by some of our Tory voters on AB, as can be seen every time the subject is brought up.
Khandro
// Then one of her most famous utterances; "No, No, No!" didn't happen //
Of course the speech happened. But she was out of office when Delores plan came to fruition, and her protégé/chosen successor said "Yes, Yes, Yes!" When he signed Masstrict.
// and neither did she get the rebate? //
She got the rebate because everyone agreed that our contributions were embarrassingly too high. We done to her, but she was really correcting a cock up by Heath who first agreed the high contributions in the first place.
// Then one of her most famous utterances; "No, No, No!" didn't happen //
Of course the speech happened. But she was out of office when Delores plan came to fruition, and her protégé/chosen successor said "Yes, Yes, Yes!" When he signed Masstrict.
// and neither did she get the rebate? //
She got the rebate because everyone agreed that our contributions were embarrassingly too high. We done to her, but she was really correcting a cock up by Heath who first agreed the high contributions in the first place.
//They were sold off knock-down prices though.//
What mikes means is that they were sold at discounts, depending on how long the tenants had been held hostage, by the councils in their human zoo projects. The money raised was supposed to upgrade all the properties that were not sold, but instead found its way into the wage packets or pension pots of........ the councillors or their staff.
The precious utility services were of course dominated by the unions and their left wing or communist rulers, who used them to hold the country to ransom to enhance their political strategies, whilst those of us who disagreed with them were funding the fifth column. We haven't had the power cuts inflicted on us in the 70s the unions since. We still of course have the railway fiasco, but I don't care, I don't use it, but it is a nice reminder of what it would be like for the telephone, water, electricity, or gas industries if they all had their very own Len McClusky puppet.
What mikes means is that they were sold at discounts, depending on how long the tenants had been held hostage, by the councils in their human zoo projects. The money raised was supposed to upgrade all the properties that were not sold, but instead found its way into the wage packets or pension pots of........ the councillors or their staff.
The precious utility services were of course dominated by the unions and their left wing or communist rulers, who used them to hold the country to ransom to enhance their political strategies, whilst those of us who disagreed with them were funding the fifth column. We haven't had the power cuts inflicted on us in the 70s the unions since. We still of course have the railway fiasco, but I don't care, I don't use it, but it is a nice reminder of what it would be like for the telephone, water, electricity, or gas industries if they all had their very own Len McClusky puppet.
grommit; For an anti-Thatcherite your above post is somewhat bizarre.
Considering that she fought tooth and nail ("no, no, no" ) against federalism, and when it came to pass, you say, "she was out of office", and she got the rebate "correcting a cock up by Heath" It sounds to me that you must agree that she did her very best then?
Considering that she fought tooth and nail ("no, no, no" ) against federalism, and when it came to pass, you say, "she was out of office", and she got the rebate "correcting a cock up by Heath" It sounds to me that you must agree that she did her very best then?
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