Pmqs: Jeremy Corbyn Claims Theresa May In Denial On Nhs

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38582285

I know Corbyn doesn't have many supporters of this mainly Tory AB, but I think he has got Mrs May on the run here.

If the Royal College of Nurses, the Royal College of Physicians, the BMA , and the Red Cross all say that we have a huge crisis, why won't she do something about the situation ?

She has so far refused to acknowledge that the Red Cross.are correct...is she in denial or is the NHS still safe in Tory hands ?

[ToraToraTora]

"I think that, as well as being a vast oversimplification, is very disrespectful to the medical staff who work long hours and perform amazing duties every day. " - put the dummy back in ZM, the medical staff are less than half of the NHS they work hard and are well respected the problem is that the organization has more clerks than beds, more managers than doctors, more statisticians that nurses. It needs a clear out. F\F\S I was met by a Greeter last time I went in there! It's full of union luvvies empire building, that's the problem.

[youngmafbog]

I'm afraid you are spot on there TTT. The management structure is so bloated and mini empires are being built daily that there is no cash left for front line staff. Indeed many of these management staff seem to think the NHS purely exists simply to fulfill their career and gold plated pension requirements.

[Zacs-Master]

I wish I knew what drives you to put such insulting irrelevancies as 'put the dummy back in ZM' when someone simply challenges your posts. Anyway, thanks for clarifying your post. Could you just let me know how the abundance of managers relates to union luvvies empire building?

[youngmafbog]

Mickey, the NHS was not safe in labour hands nor would it still be.

It is people like you using the NHS as a political football that cause it to be in the state it is. YOU and your like will kill it off if you don't stop as you prevent any Government from totally restructuring it, which is well needed now.

[youngmafbog]

//Could you just let me know how the abundance of managers relates to union luvvies empire building//

Many belong to Unite. Simples.

[Zacs-Master]

Many don't.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM:"I wish I knew what drives you to put such insulting irrelevancies as 'put the dummy back in ZM' when someone simply challenges your posts. " - I do that when someone post drivel when they haven't engaged brain.

[Zacs-Master]

There you go again. Could you answer my question?

[Bazile]

Sqad

//mikey....Politicians of ANY Political persuasion NEVER use certain words and one of them is CRISIS.//

Some politicians used certain words , which could be interpreted as a crisis

''Most of the egg production in this country, sadly, is now affected with salmonella," she told reporters.''

:-)

[mikey4444]

Sqad....do you believe the BMA, RCN, RCP, and the Red Cross ?

They all seem to singing from the same hymn sheet here. Personally, I would prefer to believe them, rather Mrs May, or any other politician for that matter.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: you mean this question: "Could you just let me know how the abundance of managers relates to union luvvies empire building? " - it's managers and admin staff, generally the union attitude is that the job is more important because it's a job than the function of the Job. That is generally a Union attitude. The NHS is heavily infested with this and thus you have huge acreage of admin function for the sake of it manged by those that manage those sorts of things. The NHS could manage on half what it gets if it was run using sound principles but it's a state bureaucracy than politicians of all kinds are terrified of sorting.

[mikey4444]

TTT....I put to you the same question I have just asked of Sqad ?

[dannyk13]

Mikey, did you miss this bit of the report:-
//
During Prime Minister's Questions, Mrs May agreed to meet a cross-party group of MPs calling for politicians to put aside differences and draw up an NHS "convention" to secure its long-term future//

[youngmafbog]

So Mickey, do you want to just pour more money in, which will just dissappear, or do you want to reform it so it is fit for the 21st Century and the challenges that brings?

Or would you rather keep using it as a political football until it breaks just to prove a point?

And I will answer your question, no I dont belive any of them when they say they need more money. All have some sort of vested interest and the words used by thee Red Cross we just plain stupid. I do believe there are problems but money is not the answer

[hereIam]

ZM - you are quite good at insulting too, you often say someone on here has 'missed the point', as if YOU are the oracle and you alone understand everything.

[mikey4444]

YMB...than I have it on record that you don't believe all those organisations, the acknowledged experts in their field.

[Sqad]

mikey

\\\\\Sqad....do you believe the BMA, RCN, RCP, and the Red Cross ? \\\

Working in the NHS for around 30+ years, I hate to admit this and i stand to be regarded as a cynic, but i receive with deep skepticism any statistic or work study that emanates form the NHS , any Governmental organisation or any allied body to health care in the UK.
Fiddling the figures to benefit one's own course, is rife in the NHS.

Yes.....of course there is a crisis and has been for the past 35 years in my opinion and experience. More women in Medicine, Gordon Brown increasing the GP's pay whilst reducing their on call time,.etc.etc has all caused the "crisis" in the NHS. Aneurin Bevan would be turning in his grave,wondering where it all went sour.

Big...big ..problem and when i have highlighted this over the years, my posts have been ripped to shreds as "knocking the NHS."
I have no idea as to where we go from here.

[youngmafbog]

You most certainly do, assuming you did read the qualifier "when they say they need more money" which I doubt you d.

Notice you have ignored my questions to you on reform or a political footbal.

[mikey4444]

Sqad....well, at least you have acknowledged that there is a crisis !

Were you a member of the RCP perhaps ? Perhaps you still are ?

[grumpy01]

Saw your post at 15.41 Danny K,to draw up an NHS convention should have happened some years ago and there should be one for education too.These two planks of our society are too valuable to be political footballs.