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Is Dissent In Europe Growing?
Deputy prime minister and leader of the Dutch Labour Party, Lodewijk Asscher, has said support for EU freedom of movement rules is 'eroding' across Europe over the way it has been implemented.
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I was with the Dutch employment minister right up until he said
"It means the smaller company that cannot afford to hire internationally is out of work."
Which demonstrates quite a profound misunderstanding of how business works. The smaller company is quite at liberty to employ foreigners on lower wages in just the same way as larger companies.
His idealistic 'level playing field' of wages would result in the cost of any job or product rising quite considerably, risking the possibility of companies becoming uncompetitive with those who do not have such constraints and risking developers / business leaders not going ahead with projects.
It's not ideal but I'm afraid it's ingrained in the European economy.
"It means the smaller company that cannot afford to hire internationally is out of work."
Which demonstrates quite a profound misunderstanding of how business works. The smaller company is quite at liberty to employ foreigners on lower wages in just the same way as larger companies.
His idealistic 'level playing field' of wages would result in the cost of any job or product rising quite considerably, risking the possibility of companies becoming uncompetitive with those who do not have such constraints and risking developers / business leaders not going ahead with projects.
It's not ideal but I'm afraid it's ingrained in the European economy.
A leftwing European politician states the bleedin obvious, and we are supposed to read that as a sign of dissent spreading across Europe.
It isn't.
The Dutch do not rule Europe, the French and Germans do. What some dutch geezer that no one has ever heard of says, is irrelevant in the scheme of things.
It isn't.
The Dutch do not rule Europe, the French and Germans do. What some dutch geezer that no one has ever heard of says, is irrelevant in the scheme of things.
Naomi,
Yes.
David Cameron's Conservative Party used to be in the same European group of Conservatives as Merkel's Party. That meant he once had some influence at the heart of the EU, and had a say in shaping its policies.
Then he sidelined us by leaving that powerful group and joining a minor group full of crackpot poles and other no hopers. All by design, not accidental.
Yes.
David Cameron's Conservative Party used to be in the same European group of Conservatives as Merkel's Party. That meant he once had some influence at the heart of the EU, and had a say in shaping its policies.
Then he sidelined us by leaving that powerful group and joining a minor group full of crackpot poles and other no hopers. All by design, not accidental.
Naomi,
Basically, Cameron, or rather his Party, didn't want any influence, or they wouldn't have thrown it away. We had half left then.
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Basically, Cameron, or rather his Party, didn't want any influence, or they wouldn't have thrown it away. We had half left then.
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From wikipedia:
// Caroline Jackson believed that David Cameron was wrong to direct the Conservative MEPs to leave the European People's Party in 2009 because this meant a huge loss of political influence. She pointed out that the Conservatives had in fact enjoyed a high level of political independence within the EPP. She argued that the Conservatives' new position from 2009 in the "Conservatives and European Reformists group" with the Czech ODS party, the Polish Law and Justice party and a motley crew of European rightists, would mean that they would lose influence and visibility in the European Parliament at precisely the moment when the Parliament's powers were increasing. //
// Caroline Jackson believed that David Cameron was wrong to direct the Conservative MEPs to leave the European People's Party in 2009 because this meant a huge loss of political influence. She pointed out that the Conservatives had in fact enjoyed a high level of political independence within the EPP. She argued that the Conservatives' new position from 2009 in the "Conservatives and European Reformists group" with the Czech ODS party, the Polish Law and Justice party and a motley crew of European rightists, would mean that they would lose influence and visibility in the European Parliament at precisely the moment when the Parliament's powers were increasing. //
Ymb,
I think you are mixing up resentment and discent.
The EU has always been run by right wing conservatives and left wingers in most EU countries resent that.
And there is a north/south, rich/poor divide, where the wealthy Germans run the shop for their own benefit, and stuff everyone else. So the southern states resent that.
But it terms of discent, there are very few signs of that, except for some short lived kerfuffle in Greece.
I think you are mixing up resentment and discent.
The EU has always been run by right wing conservatives and left wingers in most EU countries resent that.
And there is a north/south, rich/poor divide, where the wealthy Germans run the shop for their own benefit, and stuff everyone else. So the southern states resent that.
But it terms of discent, there are very few signs of that, except for some short lived kerfuffle in Greece.
“Deputy prime minister Lodewijk Asscher said support was falling across Europe over the way it has been implemented.”
Er…the way it has been implemented? How else can it be implemented? The EU Treaties have always said that freedom of movement of people to live and work anywhere in the EU is absolute, guaranteed and is inviable. There are no variations available on that.
“Mr Asscher argued the Brexit talks were a chance to look again at the policy.”
Mr Asscher wants to mind his own business. If the EU wants to continue with its ridiculous, dogmatic, idealistic principles good luck to them. The Referendum result was a decision to leave the EU. It was not a signal that, as part of our exit discussions, what remains of the bloc might start talking about the fundamentals that the UK has rejected.
“Although Mr Asscher made it clear that he supported the principle of free movement, he said the rule had been used as a "business model" for lowering wages.”
What a surprise! I’ve also learned recently that the Pope is not a Muslim and that bears do not use public conveniences.
It's [the variation in pay for different nationalities] not ideal but I'm afraid it's ingrained in the European economy.
Precisely, Zacs. And that’s why the EU with it’s freedom of movement mantra will never be of any benefit to ordinary working people. It’s quite obvious that workers coming from countries where average pay is five to ten times lower than that in the UK will outbid people living here when selling their labour. It doesn’t work, it’s been seen that it doesn’t work but still the Euromaniacs press on.
Er…the way it has been implemented? How else can it be implemented? The EU Treaties have always said that freedom of movement of people to live and work anywhere in the EU is absolute, guaranteed and is inviable. There are no variations available on that.
“Mr Asscher argued the Brexit talks were a chance to look again at the policy.”
Mr Asscher wants to mind his own business. If the EU wants to continue with its ridiculous, dogmatic, idealistic principles good luck to them. The Referendum result was a decision to leave the EU. It was not a signal that, as part of our exit discussions, what remains of the bloc might start talking about the fundamentals that the UK has rejected.
“Although Mr Asscher made it clear that he supported the principle of free movement, he said the rule had been used as a "business model" for lowering wages.”
What a surprise! I’ve also learned recently that the Pope is not a Muslim and that bears do not use public conveniences.
It's [the variation in pay for different nationalities] not ideal but I'm afraid it's ingrained in the European economy.
Precisely, Zacs. And that’s why the EU with it’s freedom of movement mantra will never be of any benefit to ordinary working people. It’s quite obvious that workers coming from countries where average pay is five to ten times lower than that in the UK will outbid people living here when selling their labour. It doesn’t work, it’s been seen that it doesn’t work but still the Euromaniacs press on.
Open borders lead to this kind of outrage;
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