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Donald Trump Considers Issuing New Travel Ban
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He has given up trying to defeat the American legal system, and its all now back to the drawing board.
This is making up policy on the hoof !
He has given up trying to defeat the American legal system, and its all now back to the drawing board.
This is making up policy on the hoof !
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I strongly endorse mikey on this. Trump is big news. We cope with lots of 'rants' from various sources here and let's face it while some of it is repetitive they have a certain fascination. And Trump is a ranter himself so he asks for it.
08:50 Sat 11th Feb 2017
Yes the 9/11 terrorists were largely Saudi. The recent attacker at the Louvre was a visitor from Egypt. And yet there seems to be no check whatsoever on thoser countries. Many if not all Syrian refugees, by contrast, are heavily vetted, and yet they are banned.
Mr Trump of course would like to court the Egyptian president, and he has I believe relaxed US arms sales to Saudi Arabia. Then there's his business interests in those countries .. All entirely coincidental of course
Mr Trump of course would like to court the Egyptian president, and he has I believe relaxed US arms sales to Saudi Arabia. Then there's his business interests in those countries .. All entirely coincidental of course
It's disappointing to see Mikey not answer that question because, if anything, the answer continues to strengthen the case against Trump's rash and (potentially) unconstitutional actions in signing the Executive Order.
The countries on the list (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen) were indeed regarded by the Obama administration as "of concern". At least four in that list make a lot of sense to be seen as such; the other three probably do as well although I'm less up to date with, for example, Yemeni current affairs.
In that sense, then -- yes, there is a certain partial logic to a focus on those countries in particular. The problem comes with how to deal with that. Obama's action of placing these countries on a list of countries of concern essentially tightened visa restrictions but still allowed people in having passed relevant security checks. It also was particularly focused at people visiting those countries, rather than all citizens of those countries, perhaps with the idea of terrorist training camps in mind.
Trump's action goes far, far further, and unreasonably so. It does not follow by virtue of being a Syrian citizen that you must be regarded as a heightened threat. After all, Syrian citizens include babies, who aren't threats to anything; they also include scientists, who work in US universities; and they include people who have already passed through some of the most stringent security checks possible.
This means that Trump's policy isn't an extension of Obama's, but some sort of corruption of it. By failing to follow proper procedure the EO is anyway likely to be unconstitutional, and therefore illegal; Trump will have to redraft it or face a lengthy court battle. And he certainly can't point to previous adminstration's actions to defend this one.
All of which Mikey could/ should have said for himself, of course. It's a fair question, Talbot -- but the answer is still more damning of Trump's rashness and reckless disregard for due process.
The countries on the list (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen) were indeed regarded by the Obama administration as "of concern". At least four in that list make a lot of sense to be seen as such; the other three probably do as well although I'm less up to date with, for example, Yemeni current affairs.
In that sense, then -- yes, there is a certain partial logic to a focus on those countries in particular. The problem comes with how to deal with that. Obama's action of placing these countries on a list of countries of concern essentially tightened visa restrictions but still allowed people in having passed relevant security checks. It also was particularly focused at people visiting those countries, rather than all citizens of those countries, perhaps with the idea of terrorist training camps in mind.
Trump's action goes far, far further, and unreasonably so. It does not follow by virtue of being a Syrian citizen that you must be regarded as a heightened threat. After all, Syrian citizens include babies, who aren't threats to anything; they also include scientists, who work in US universities; and they include people who have already passed through some of the most stringent security checks possible.
This means that Trump's policy isn't an extension of Obama's, but some sort of corruption of it. By failing to follow proper procedure the EO is anyway likely to be unconstitutional, and therefore illegal; Trump will have to redraft it or face a lengthy court battle. And he certainly can't point to previous adminstration's actions to defend this one.
All of which Mikey could/ should have said for himself, of course. It's a fair question, Talbot -- but the answer is still more damning of Trump's rashness and reckless disregard for due process.
I am not a lover of Donald Trump but having said that are his policies so very wrong ? He is trying to keep his country safe from terrorists, let us face facts, what is the religion of most of the world's terrorists ?
Islam has over time developed into a very dangerous thing. I am aware of course that not all Muslims are terrorists but I do feel that the religious leaders have not done enough to kerb their dangerous sections, hence the rise in anti Islam feelings & sentiment throughout the world.
Islam has over time developed into a very dangerous thing. I am aware of course that not all Muslims are terrorists but I do feel that the religious leaders have not done enough to kerb their dangerous sections, hence the rise in anti Islam feelings & sentiment throughout the world.
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