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Hospital Cuts Planned In Most Of England
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This won't effect us here in Wales of course, and I am now out for the rest of the day, so I will leave you all to debate whether closing Hospitals and services is the best way of coping with the worst crisis in our NHS that we have ever seen before.
This won't effect us here in Wales of course, and I am now out for the rest of the day, so I will leave you all to debate whether closing Hospitals and services is the best way of coping with the worst crisis in our NHS that we have ever seen before.
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Well given the management strucure is cripling the NHS perhaps this should enable them to fire a load of the managers and get the ratio of manager to front line staff back to a correct ratio.
Along with of course no Health tourism, no plastic surgery (or any other surgery that is not life saving), better centralise procurement etc etc.
Along with of course no Health tourism, no plastic surgery (or any other surgery that is not life saving), better centralise procurement etc etc.
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But a review of the plans by the King's Fund think tank warned they were not always credible because there were not enough services outside of hospitals and there was a lack of money to invest in more.
It warned community services were already "feeling the strain" and could not currently cope with an increase in workload.
And the King's Fund said further reductions in the number of hospital beds could de-stabilise services that were already "stretched to their limits" following the difficult winter.
But a review of the plans by the King's Fund think tank warned they were not always credible because there were not enough services outside of hospitals and there was a lack of money to invest in more.
It warned community services were already "feeling the strain" and could not currently cope with an increase in workload.
And the King's Fund said further reductions in the number of hospital beds could de-stabilise services that were already "stretched to their limits" following the difficult winter.
Mikey, //This won't effect us here in Wales of course//
Just as well. The NHS in Wales has enough problems with its abysmal management.
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Just as well. The NHS in Wales has enough problems with its abysmal management.
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//this won't affect us here in Wales...//
really?
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really?
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Morning mikey....you are seeing the inevitable death of state provided medicine.You can debate the causes until the "cat comes home" but until this is recognised and total reform of the NHS is started, there will be further decline and finally death.
The expectations of the British public in respect to health is unrealistic.
The expectations of the British public in respect to health is unrealistic.
I have never said that the NHS doesn't need an overhaul....it quite clearly does. But how is closing dozens of Hospitals going to help
I am accused on here, as using the NHS as a "political football" and yet after nearly 7 years of Tory rule, the NHS is in such a state of complete collapse, that savage cuts and closures are now going to take place. So if it isn't the fault of the Tories, that this happening on their watch, then whose fault is it ?
If the NHS was in this state of collapse, after 7 years of Labour rule. you can bet your last dollar that the right wing here on AB, which comprises the majority don't forget, would be howling the Labour Party down from the rooftops.
Apologies in advance for this next bit Sqad.....but "the NHS is safe in our hands"....really ?
If this is "safe" at the moment, just what would unsafe look like ?
I am accused on here, as using the NHS as a "political football" and yet after nearly 7 years of Tory rule, the NHS is in such a state of complete collapse, that savage cuts and closures are now going to take place. So if it isn't the fault of the Tories, that this happening on their watch, then whose fault is it ?
If the NHS was in this state of collapse, after 7 years of Labour rule. you can bet your last dollar that the right wing here on AB, which comprises the majority don't forget, would be howling the Labour Party down from the rooftops.
Apologies in advance for this next bit Sqad.....but "the NHS is safe in our hands"....really ?
If this is "safe" at the moment, just what would unsafe look like ?
///I am accused on here, as using the NHS as a "political football" and yet after nearly 7 years of Tory rule, the NHS is in such a state of complete collapse, that savage cuts and closures are now going to take place. So if it isn't the fault of the Tories, that this happening on their watch, then whose fault is it ?///
Tell me you did that 'on purpose' for a laugh, mikey.
Tell me you did that 'on purpose' for a laugh, mikey.
mikey...." safe in their hands?" "Fault of the Tories?"
We heave been over this time and time again and we both have irreversible and opposite opinions.
"The BBC found 28 proposals affect hospital care, from full closures to centralising services, such as A&E and stroke care, on fewer sites."
Now the above is the nub of the situation....if the NHS is to compete with 21 century health care and survival rates of other countries....centralisation is ESSENTIAL and that means that peripheral hospitals must close (financial) and all resources must be centralised. Unless this is done, the NHS will fall way down the league of survival rates.
Who will do this? Tories? Labour?......the answer is obvious when one is dealing with nationalised health.
We heave been over this time and time again and we both have irreversible and opposite opinions.
"The BBC found 28 proposals affect hospital care, from full closures to centralising services, such as A&E and stroke care, on fewer sites."
Now the above is the nub of the situation....if the NHS is to compete with 21 century health care and survival rates of other countries....centralisation is ESSENTIAL and that means that peripheral hospitals must close (financial) and all resources must be centralised. Unless this is done, the NHS will fall way down the league of survival rates.
Who will do this? Tories? Labour?......the answer is obvious when one is dealing with nationalised health.
Sqad...perhaps I can give a personal example of why closing Hospitals and specialist units are not always such a good idea.
My niece is a Nurse in the SCBU, in Carmarthen. But she used to be part of the team that worked in the SCBU in Haverfordwest. On cost grounds only, a decision was made to close the H-West unit, and move everything to Carmarthen.
SCBUs deal with the most vulnerable babies imaginable. Some of those babies will spend months in a SCBU, and now the parents of West Wales babies have a 50-60 mile journey every day, instead of a 30 mins one.
Another consequence of the closure is that there is now not enough capacity in that part of Wales for these tiny babies.
Of course, the sums are working out OK, so the bean counters are happy.
My niece is a Nurse in the SCBU, in Carmarthen. But she used to be part of the team that worked in the SCBU in Haverfordwest. On cost grounds only, a decision was made to close the H-West unit, and move everything to Carmarthen.
SCBUs deal with the most vulnerable babies imaginable. Some of those babies will spend months in a SCBU, and now the parents of West Wales babies have a 50-60 mile journey every day, instead of a 30 mins one.
Another consequence of the closure is that there is now not enough capacity in that part of Wales for these tiny babies.
Of course, the sums are working out OK, so the bean counters are happy.
mikey
"the parents of West Wales babies have a 50-60 mile journey every day, instead of a 30 mins one. "
You make my point.......
50-60 miles is NOTHING when you know that your babies's survival is enhanced by the expertise of modern SCBUs.
You can't have "tinpot units" on the corner of every bloody street in the UK for the convenience of the pampered |British public, who will have to do more for themselves in the future.
FGS stop moaning and welcome modern health innovations, even if it does mean travelling 50-60 miles. The babies are not in the Unit for EVER!
"the parents of West Wales babies have a 50-60 mile journey every day, instead of a 30 mins one. "
You make my point.......
50-60 miles is NOTHING when you know that your babies's survival is enhanced by the expertise of modern SCBUs.
You can't have "tinpot units" on the corner of every bloody street in the UK for the convenience of the pampered |British public, who will have to do more for themselves in the future.
FGS stop moaning and welcome modern health innovations, even if it does mean travelling 50-60 miles. The babies are not in the Unit for EVER!
Sqad....there was nothing "tinpot" about the H-West SCBU. It was just as good as the Carmarthen one. They were amalgamated for financial reasons only. My point is that the parents of those West Wales babies now have the added expense and trouble of the extra travelling, for the babies to get exactly the same level of care that they did in H-West.
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