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Should Our Mps Have Wasted Three Hours In Westminster Hall Debating The State Visit To The Uk By President Trump, When More Important Issues Need Debating?
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As usual Katie Hopkins, voices her opinion and I am sure she is not alone in her opinion both against this pathetic debate and the hordes of lefties and other minority groups who chose to take to the streets once again so as to publicise their own particular agendas.
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Ms. Hopkins adopts a standard approach of agitators and click-baiters - this (insert your bugbear here) is obviously without importance because this (insert any serious issue here) is important.
It appeals to people who love to believe her nonsense is true, which it rarely is - but it does not stand up to even basic scrutiny.
It is possible to denigrate every single minute of parliamentary time with any one of the issues affecting the country and the world.
But it's not a realistic way to approach real life.
What is important to the individual depends on individual circumstances, and there are plenty of Katie-fans who think she is right - debating the Presidential visit is utterly without value.
But here in the real world, where a diplomatic alliance with the U.S. is if vital importance to the nation - but must be weighed against the serious opposition to Mr Trump's actions - it is absolutely right that MP's take parliamentary time to discuss his potential visit.
No doubt Ms. Hopkins would be seriously put out if Parliament didn't 'waste time' debating the freedom of speech that allows her to pontificate her nonsense on a regular basis - the concept of 'importance' depends on the view of the individual.
It appeals to people who love to believe her nonsense is true, which it rarely is - but it does not stand up to even basic scrutiny.
It is possible to denigrate every single minute of parliamentary time with any one of the issues affecting the country and the world.
But it's not a realistic way to approach real life.
What is important to the individual depends on individual circumstances, and there are plenty of Katie-fans who think she is right - debating the Presidential visit is utterly without value.
But here in the real world, where a diplomatic alliance with the U.S. is if vital importance to the nation - but must be weighed against the serious opposition to Mr Trump's actions - it is absolutely right that MP's take parliamentary time to discuss his potential visit.
No doubt Ms. Hopkins would be seriously put out if Parliament didn't 'waste time' debating the freedom of speech that allows her to pontificate her nonsense on a regular basis - the concept of 'importance' depends on the view of the individual.
Islay
/// So why should we complain as they are doing what they are paid to do! ///
Then how is it that the House is almost empty when they are debating more serious issues.
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/// So why should we complain as they are doing what they are paid to do! ///
Then how is it that the House is almost empty when they are debating more serious issues.
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Quite independent of what you think about *this* issue, it was only debated at all because of a government initiative to allow the general population to force certain issues for debate through petition.parliament.uk. It seems to me that opening up the process to more public involvement is a good thing in principle -- although in practice I am not sure the government and parliament take most such petitions seriously anyway (and it's only a few petitions that really drum up the support needed to force a debate/ response; by definition these are populist issues, rather than necessarily important ones.)
Anyway, it was time well-spent in the sense that, at least, Parliament is willing to spend the time debating what the people it represents ask it to.
Anyway, it was time well-spent in the sense that, at least, Parliament is willing to spend the time debating what the people it represents ask it to.
Mamyalynne & Anne
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A great speech, I think not.
/// The UK should "set an example" by not allowing a planned state visit for Donald Trump to go ahead, a Welsh Labour MP has
suggested. ///
/// Mr Flynn, MP for Newport West and a petitions committee member, (no particular axe to grind there then?) told the debate there was "no question" of disrespect for the US but there was "a great feeling of concern that welled up" in the petitions. ///
/// He said protests were "an expression of fear and anxiety that we had someone in the White House wielding this enormous power". ///
I wonder what his thoughts are regarding protests from the Far-Right groups such as Britain First or the EDL, aren't their protests also an "expression of fear and anxiety" but perhaps a little closer to home than Washington.?
Also haven't we seen everyone who has been a resident in the White House wielding enormous power?
*** "We've had people here who are very unsavoury characters... certainly we can't try to imitate the errors of the past, we should set an example by making sure we don't make those mistakes again," he added. ***
And aren't they still here, and have we not seen what they can do?
So perhaps it is both Mr Flynn and his fellow MPs who should follow Trump's agenda and "set an example by making sure we don't make those mistakes again".
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A great speech, I think not.
/// The UK should "set an example" by not allowing a planned state visit for Donald Trump to go ahead, a Welsh Labour MP has
suggested. ///
/// Mr Flynn, MP for Newport West and a petitions committee member, (no particular axe to grind there then?) told the debate there was "no question" of disrespect for the US but there was "a great feeling of concern that welled up" in the petitions. ///
/// He said protests were "an expression of fear and anxiety that we had someone in the White House wielding this enormous power". ///
I wonder what his thoughts are regarding protests from the Far-Right groups such as Britain First or the EDL, aren't their protests also an "expression of fear and anxiety" but perhaps a little closer to home than Washington.?
Also haven't we seen everyone who has been a resident in the White House wielding enormous power?
*** "We've had people here who are very unsavoury characters... certainly we can't try to imitate the errors of the past, we should set an example by making sure we don't make those mistakes again," he added. ***
And aren't they still here, and have we not seen what they can do?
So perhaps it is both Mr Flynn and his fellow MPs who should follow Trump's agenda and "set an example by making sure we don't make those mistakes again".
AOG - //I wonder what his thoughts are regarding protests from the Far-Right groups such as Britain First or the EDL, aren't their protests also an "expression of fear and anxiety"//
No, their actions are borne of a need to bond together with other people and feel wanted and important - even though they are clearly neither. And if they can all march down the road shouting, and break some locals' heads into the bargain, that that is a wonderful bonus.
No, their actions are borne of a need to bond together with other people and feel wanted and important - even though they are clearly neither. And if they can all march down the road shouting, and break some locals' heads into the bargain, that that is a wonderful bonus.
AOG - //So perhaps it is both Mr Flynn and his fellow MPs who should follow Trump's agenda and "set an example by making sure we don't make those mistakes again". //
But that 'agenda' is not working - not while it works on the assumption that nationality dictates a propensity towards terrorism.
That's as fair as assuming that everyone who is overweight, has a Number One haircut, Union Jack tattoos and claims to love his country is a fascist thug.
Oh, hang on ....
But that 'agenda' is not working - not while it works on the assumption that nationality dictates a propensity towards terrorism.
That's as fair as assuming that everyone who is overweight, has a Number One haircut, Union Jack tattoos and claims to love his country is a fascist thug.
Oh, hang on ....
AOG
If a predefined number of people sign petitions.gov.uk, the the issue has to be debated.
I think it's a healthy sign of our democratic process.
Personally, I couldn't care less what is debated - if enough people sign the petition, it means that a lot of people want that particular issue debated.
Members of Parliament work (or perhaps SHOULD) for us. If a protocol exists to make them do something on our behalf, so be it.
If a predefined number of people sign petitions.gov.uk, the the issue has to be debated.
I think it's a healthy sign of our democratic process.
Personally, I couldn't care less what is debated - if enough people sign the petition, it means that a lot of people want that particular issue debated.
Members of Parliament work (or perhaps SHOULD) for us. If a protocol exists to make them do something on our behalf, so be it.
Mamyalynne
/// Don't bring me into it, I simply posted the link for Anne. ///
So sorry Mam I do apologise.
I just thought that since Anne was referring to a 'great speech' one of which she could not provide a link, that you also thought it a 'great speech', enough to provide the source.
Now I see by your own admittance, that you were just being a helpful fellow ABer.
/// Don't bring me into it, I simply posted the link for Anne. ///
So sorry Mam I do apologise.
I just thought that since Anne was referring to a 'great speech' one of which she could not provide a link, that you also thought it a 'great speech', enough to provide the source.
Now I see by your own admittance, that you were just being a helpful fellow ABer.
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