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andy-hughes, you repeat the same thing over and over, but as you said repeating it doesn’t make it right. People who are pleased when terrorists die aren’t dehumanised – they’re capable of feeling sympathy for the death of others. The demise of a terrorist is a good thing because it means the world is a little safer, that’s all.
Naomi - //People who are pleased when terrorists die aren’t dehumanised – they’re capable of feeling sympathy for the death of others. //
Although you state that as though it is a fact, it is just your view, and it is a valid, or if you like, invalid, as my view.
// The demise of a terrorist is a good thing because it means the world is a little safer, that’s all. //
That is absolutely not the same thing, and you know it.
The posts that have prompted my response are not saying, in measured tones, that the removal of a terrorist helps make us all safer, which is a valid point, they say 'Good!', 'Serves them right!' 'Two less!' and so on ad nauseum, which is not the same reaction at all.
It amounts to this - accepting that the death of a terrorist means the safety of others is increased is, in my view, a valid way of looking at the loss of a life.
To take obvious pleasure in the violent death of another human being is dehumanising, and again in my view, that chips away at the essence of humanity, that divides us from them.
Although you state that as though it is a fact, it is just your view, and it is a valid, or if you like, invalid, as my view.
// The demise of a terrorist is a good thing because it means the world is a little safer, that’s all. //
That is absolutely not the same thing, and you know it.
The posts that have prompted my response are not saying, in measured tones, that the removal of a terrorist helps make us all safer, which is a valid point, they say 'Good!', 'Serves them right!' 'Two less!' and so on ad nauseum, which is not the same reaction at all.
It amounts to this - accepting that the death of a terrorist means the safety of others is increased is, in my view, a valid way of looking at the loss of a life.
To take obvious pleasure in the violent death of another human being is dehumanising, and again in my view, that chips away at the essence of humanity, that divides us from them.
Mine was the first 'Good' answer.
It wasn't meant as rejoicing. Believe it or not, I actually thought about answering for a moment or two and at what level to 'pitch it'.
Certainly no sympathy for them and satisfaction they wouldn't be able to hurt any more innocent people.
On reflection, I could have been a bit more enthusiastic.
It wasn't meant as rejoicing. Believe it or not, I actually thought about answering for a moment or two and at what level to 'pitch it'.
Certainly no sympathy for them and satisfaction they wouldn't be able to hurt any more innocent people.
On reflection, I could have been a bit more enthusiastic.
I had similar thoughts as AH, until I saw a programme on the TV a few weeks ago.
IS, invaded a village in northern Iraq, all the men and boys were executed. The women were taken as sex slaves. They kept them in awful conditions with little food. One woman had a baby with her, it wouldn't stop crying as it was hungry. This annoyed the leader. The woman complained about the lack of food. The leader had the baby killed and then cooked it and gave it to the woman.
The men who do these hideous acts don't deserve to be alive!
IS, invaded a village in northern Iraq, all the men and boys were executed. The women were taken as sex slaves. They kept them in awful conditions with little food. One woman had a baby with her, it wouldn't stop crying as it was hungry. This annoyed the leader. The woman complained about the lack of food. The leader had the baby killed and then cooked it and gave it to the woman.
The men who do these hideous acts don't deserve to be alive!
Naomi - // ... but that doesn't mean they're incapable of feeling sympathy for deaths in other circumstances. //
Of course it doesn't mean that.
Which is a very good reason why I didn't suggest that it did.
You are not known for adding bits on to a post that weren't there, and then responding to them as if they were there - I'll put that down to a minor blip.
Of course it doesn't mean that.
Which is a very good reason why I didn't suggest that it did.
You are not known for adding bits on to a post that weren't there, and then responding to them as if they were there - I'll put that down to a minor blip.
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Samjenko - //Certainly no sympathy for them and satisfaction they wouldn't be able to hurt any more innocent people. //
To be absolutely clear, I don't sympathise with the loss of any terrorist, but I do feel sorry that anyone dies violently, which is not the same thing.
The distinction is a subtle one, but I believe it is no less important for that.
To be absolutely clear, I don't sympathise with the loss of any terrorist, but I do feel sorry that anyone dies violently, which is not the same thing.
The distinction is a subtle one, but I believe it is no less important for that.
jackdaw - //1) This is not a debate, merely an exchange of views. //
That's not really for you to say, but it's a view.
// 2) My remark was not aimed at Samjenko, you know perfectly well to whom I was referring. //
That's an unfounded assumption on your part.
// God, you could bore for England. //
That is unnecessary rudeness.
If you want to describe this as an exchange of views, try putting forward a view - which is none of the above - and we can exchange.
That's not really for you to say, but it's a view.
// 2) My remark was not aimed at Samjenko, you know perfectly well to whom I was referring. //
That's an unfounded assumption on your part.
// God, you could bore for England. //
That is unnecessary rudeness.
If you want to describe this as an exchange of views, try putting forward a view - which is none of the above - and we can exchange.
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Naomi - //andy-hughes, //Naomi - // ... but that doesn't mean they're incapable of feeling sympathy for deaths in other circumstances. //
Of course it doesn't mean that. //
What are you talking about then? Where is this dehumanisation you feel we’re succumbing to? //
I have explained at great length over several posts, but I am happy to do so again -
Terrorists hate Westerners, soldiers, civilians, women, children, they want us all destroyed, and are delighted when any of us die - and if they can gain propaganda by killing people in horribly creative ways, then that is seen as a bonus.
We are above that mind-set because it is barbaric to want to kill other humans, and to be pleased that they have died.
My point is simply this - if we start to rejoice in their deaths as they rejoice in ours, then in a small, but significant part of our minds, we are thinking like they do, and being as barbaric in our joy as they are in theirs.
I believe that is a mind-set to be avoided, so I don't feel any sense of joy or satisfaction that anyone dies violently.
That is my view, different from plenty of others, but that I how I see it.
It's nothing more complicated than that.
Of course it doesn't mean that. //
What are you talking about then? Where is this dehumanisation you feel we’re succumbing to? //
I have explained at great length over several posts, but I am happy to do so again -
Terrorists hate Westerners, soldiers, civilians, women, children, they want us all destroyed, and are delighted when any of us die - and if they can gain propaganda by killing people in horribly creative ways, then that is seen as a bonus.
We are above that mind-set because it is barbaric to want to kill other humans, and to be pleased that they have died.
My point is simply this - if we start to rejoice in their deaths as they rejoice in ours, then in a small, but significant part of our minds, we are thinking like they do, and being as barbaric in our joy as they are in theirs.
I believe that is a mind-set to be avoided, so I don't feel any sense of joy or satisfaction that anyone dies violently.
That is my view, different from plenty of others, but that I how I see it.
It's nothing more complicated than that.
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