Does The Delusioins Of The Eu Mandarins Know No Bounds?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39230044
There won't be an EU mate, the whole sorry edifice will come crashing down around your ears!

[emmie]

don't think it will ever happen, re-joining that is, not sure he is delusional just a sad old man, losing Britain is a massive blow to the EU eurostate.

[Gromit]

Hopefully losing the UK, and possibly another country will make them realise that the EU needs reforming to rein back more power to the sovereign countries, particularly with regard to tax.

If Brexit doesn't work out how we hope, then a reformed EU would be a good Plan B.

[emmie]

i don't care as long as we get out.

[youngmafbog]

No we donf need to ever return. If there are any problems then fall forward not backout

[Gromit]

// then fall forward not blackout //

Not sure what that means.

If Brexit does not work as hoped, what is your Plan B?

[Gromit]

blackout?

Apologies, my computer auto changed that.

[andy-hughes]

A little wishful thinking is allowed I think.

If Britain was to re-join, you can be sure we would be in a seriously strong negotiating position - that does presume that the domino effect has not caused the entire edifice to crumble. Other member states will be watching to see how we go on, and if our exit is a roaring success, then the end of the EU is inevitable.

[New Judge]

“Mr Juncker, the most senior official in Brussels, said he did not like Brexit because he wanted ‘to be in the same boat as the British’.”

Of course Mr Juncker should ask himself why the majority of UK citizens who expressed a preference decided that they do not want to be in the same boat as him and his fellow Euromaniacs. Perhaps I can help him.

In the very article in the link there is this nonsense:

“Meanwhile the European Parliament's chief Brexit negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt has said he would like a "special arrangement" for UK citizens who want to continue their relationship with the EU, so they can continue to keep some rights, such as freedom to travel.”

Is he trying to suggest that “freedom to travel” is purely an EU inspired facility? Millions of people from outside the EU travel to and from EU countries simply by producing a passport (as UK citizens currently do). Is Mr Verhofstadt suggesting that UK citizens may somehow be treated differently to them and be denied their “freedom to travel”. It is true that I did encounter an 18 year old soon after the referendum who was in tears because she told me she would no longer be able to travel to Europe. But I thought such misunderstandings were the preserve of the young and gullible.

Mr Juncker and his mates (aided and abetted, it has to be said, by most UK politicians who should have known better) tried to instil fear into the minds of UK citizens by forecasting all sorts of dire consequences should they vote to leave. Those warnings were ignored by the majority who voted and the UK’s own “Project Fear” seems to have abated. The European version of that project seems still to be alive and kicking but Mr Juncker now appears to be hedging his bets. He will almost certainly be disappointed with his dream of seeing the UK rejoin the EU. As has been said, it is unlikely that the wretched institution will survive in its current form for very much longer. But even if it does the very last thing the UK will want, having escaped from both the frying pan and the fire, will be to jump back into a collapsing furnace.

“If Brexit does not work as hoped, what is your Plan B?”

I don’t quite know what you mean by “if Brexit does not work as hoped”, Gromit. I can’t speak for all my fellow Brexiteers’ hopes and aspirations. For my part all I want is for the UK to be free of any influence, control or boundaries laid down by the EU. I simply want the UK to become a “normal” nation like any other non-EU member. The only way it will not work for me is if, by some fudged arrangements contained in the “deal”, we end up still influenced by its legislature and bailiwick. Provided that does not happen then Brexit will be a resounding success and no plan ‘B’ will be necessary.

[ToraToraTora]

I too struggle with Gromits "plan B" - there is no plan B, we leave we make a go of it as best we can. It may not be as successful as I would have hoped but that does not mean we must revert back, we will continue doing the best we can for our nation. No doubt hampered by the ever moaning remainiacs doing their best to sabotage everything so they can say we told you so.

[Gromit]

Tora

I hope Brexit is a success, and I think it can be.

But if we find we are far worse off Out, then we must be able to return. We should see Junckners comments as encouraging.

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - We will be a success, or we will be able to return to the EU.

Both those scenarios are based on the simple concept that underpins everything around the EU - and outside it - trade.

It comes down to this - do we have goods and services that other countries want to buy, and at a price they want to pay? And do they have the same? Excellent, then we can, and we will, trade together.

That will apply if we are in our out of the EU.

[jourdain2]

As so often - I agree with NJ. Just want to be a normal, independent nation making our own way in the world and friendly with the nations which are in the EU. I do think that the EU as it is will cease to exist before too long.

[emmie]

Greece is a basket case, Italy, Spain have massive youth unemployment, Germany is still the leader, no matter what some think. What is there to like about this superstate.

[jourdain2]

emmie - we lived in France until 2 years ago. I assure you that it is also a 'basket case' with huge rural youth unemployment.

[emmie]

no wonder people flock here.

[Old_Geezer]

A reformed EU will, as it's name implies, be an appalling plan B, C, D, .... whatever. A Common Market might be worth discussing in the unlikely event that we didn't fare well outside the EU, but only if the free movement impositions were slung.

[Old_Geezer]

When Mr Juncker, the most senior official in Brussels, said that he wanted ‘to be in the same boat as the British’ I took that to mean he wanted his country to be leaving the EU too. There's no other interpretation is there ?

[cassa333]

Another thing that article highlighted was the fact they have been working on their handling of Brexit and all we have been doing is ping pong with the Lords.

He, like all the EU elite, want the UK to stay/return for our purse. Otherwise they despise us and scoff at our concerns.