Body & Soul1 min ago
Will Europe One Day Have To Fight A War
against many of the adherents who want to do us harm, Islam -
seeing as how Islamic terrorism is not just a one off.
seeing as how Islamic terrorism is not just a one off.
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jno, a necessity – and a sensible one. I have no problem with it. Emmie, Unless a lot of lights go on in a lot of brains, I don’t think we will fight it. If that doesn’t happen, when push comes to shove the liberals who fundamentall
19:13 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
AOG - //There is one on here who thinks it is a crime to racial/religious stereotype. //
Since that is probably aimed at me, I don't think it is a crime, which is probably why I didn't say that - what I do think is that it is devisive, and virtually impossible - certainly as far as identifying Muslims by sight, as I illustrated earlier on.
//So if a black person and a white person are standing side by side and one points out that that is definitely a black person, they have committed the crime of racial stereotyping. //
A perfect example of the 'So' rule (again) - identifying a person as being black is not stereotyping, identifying him as feckless, criminal, idle, or a gang member, because he is black, is racial stereotyping.
// And if a Roman catholic person stands next to a Jewish Orthodox person, and one points out the Jewish Orthodox person, then they have committed the crime of religious stereotyping? //
Again nonsense - you can identify an orthodox Jew because of their dress code - and again, pointing that out is not sterotyping.
More accurately, in your stereotyping world, why don't you snad me next to my wife and then spot the Catholic - perhaps a little more tricky?
// How very strange some people are. //
How strange indeed.
Since that is probably aimed at me, I don't think it is a crime, which is probably why I didn't say that - what I do think is that it is devisive, and virtually impossible - certainly as far as identifying Muslims by sight, as I illustrated earlier on.
//So if a black person and a white person are standing side by side and one points out that that is definitely a black person, they have committed the crime of racial stereotyping. //
A perfect example of the 'So' rule (again) - identifying a person as being black is not stereotyping, identifying him as feckless, criminal, idle, or a gang member, because he is black, is racial stereotyping.
// And if a Roman catholic person stands next to a Jewish Orthodox person, and one points out the Jewish Orthodox person, then they have committed the crime of religious stereotyping? //
Again nonsense - you can identify an orthodox Jew because of their dress code - and again, pointing that out is not sterotyping.
More accurately, in your stereotyping world, why don't you snad me next to my wife and then spot the Catholic - perhaps a little more tricky?
// How very strange some people are. //
How strange indeed.
andy-hughes
Your post makes perfect sense.
And so does the 'so' rule.
It's a version of reductio ad absurdum, where someone tries to make a point by extrapolating it to ridiculous lengths.
It happens all the time on AB, and should be pointed out every time someone uses it.
AOG - your examples of racial/religious stereotyping is broken.
andy-hughes response is valid.
Stereotypes which lead to prejudging are wholly different to the identification of physical traits.
Your post makes perfect sense.
And so does the 'so' rule.
It's a version of reductio ad absurdum, where someone tries to make a point by extrapolating it to ridiculous lengths.
It happens all the time on AB, and should be pointed out every time someone uses it.
AOG - your examples of racial/religious stereotyping is broken.
andy-hughes response is valid.
Stereotypes which lead to prejudging are wholly different to the identification of physical traits.
emmie
No thread on AB ever stays on track past the first couple of pages.
It's because the regular contributors will have expressed their opinions upfront, then will have read counter-arguments, which introduce further elements to the discussion.
Once to get to the thick end of 100 posts, there is no way that everyone will still be discussing the specifics of the OP.
In this thread, it's not a hijack per se - just a course correction by the people on the boat.
No thread on AB ever stays on track past the first couple of pages.
It's because the regular contributors will have expressed their opinions upfront, then will have read counter-arguments, which introduce further elements to the discussion.
Once to get to the thick end of 100 posts, there is no way that everyone will still be discussing the specifics of the OP.
In this thread, it's not a hijack per se - just a course correction by the people on the boat.
Islay
Did you allow your children complete freedom in all they did Talbot?
Strange question.
When they were doing things they shouldn't no. As a sensible parent I would point out what is right and what is wrong.
As far as religion goes they have complete freedom but thankfully they are all intelligent kids and think the concept of a God is bonkers.
Did you allow your children complete freedom in all they did Talbot?
Strange question.
When they were doing things they shouldn't no. As a sensible parent I would point out what is right and what is wrong.
As far as religion goes they have complete freedom but thankfully they are all intelligent kids and think the concept of a God is bonkers.
Thank you sp1814.
I use the 'So' rule to point out the absurdity of saying something that someone has not said, and then arguing with it - and the usual suspects continue to do so.
If anyone is irritated, they can advise the culprits to stop looking for an argument in the wrong place.
OK - back to the thread now.
I use the 'So' rule to point out the absurdity of saying something that someone has not said, and then arguing with it - and the usual suspects continue to do so.
If anyone is irritated, they can advise the culprits to stop looking for an argument in the wrong place.
OK - back to the thread now.
I repeat.
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.[5]:248–250[6]. Winston Churchill 1899.
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die: but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.[5]:248–250[6]. Winston Churchill 1899.
emmie - //i was hoping for some intelligent counter arguments, not childish spats. //
Cultural and racial stereotyping is ignorant and dangerous.
AOG has presented a fatuous argument to back up his unprovable view on stereotyping - I have deconstructed it for him.
That is the essence of debate, and how things work on here.
I have also had a little jibe at his expense because he persists in posting something I have not said, and then argued with it.
Some people get sniffy about that - I couldn't care less.
So really, you have a typical AB thread going on.
If you want 'intelligent counter arguments' watch Question Time!
Cultural and racial stereotyping is ignorant and dangerous.
AOG has presented a fatuous argument to back up his unprovable view on stereotyping - I have deconstructed it for him.
That is the essence of debate, and how things work on here.
I have also had a little jibe at his expense because he persists in posting something I have not said, and then argued with it.
Some people get sniffy about that - I couldn't care less.
So really, you have a typical AB thread going on.
If you want 'intelligent counter arguments' watch Question Time!
emmie, faith schools were mentioned by Islay naomi and yourself at
14:33 Thu 23rd Mar 201
14:41 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
14:43 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
14:53 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
15:03 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
I'm bored now but there are other mentions.
and then when I mention them @ 15:38 Thu 23rd Mar 2017 you say
''talbot no indeed, not a lot of choice for the child. But this isn't about faith schools !''
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14:33 Thu 23rd Mar 201
14:41 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
14:43 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
14:53 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
15:03 Thu 23rd Mar 2017
I'm bored now but there are other mentions.
and then when I mention them @ 15:38 Thu 23rd Mar 2017 you say
''talbot no indeed, not a lot of choice for the child. But this isn't about faith schools !''
??????????????????????
emmie
I think there have been a number of posts which put forward ideas on how this proposed war would manifest itself. Don't worry about the spats - no matter how many times they happen, and no matter how many times they descend into digital cat fights, they are what keep the News section buzzing.
Just skip over them and respond to those who have answered your OP directly.
I think there have been a number of posts which put forward ideas on how this proposed war would manifest itself. Don't worry about the spats - no matter how many times they happen, and no matter how many times they descend into digital cat fights, they are what keep the News section buzzing.
Just skip over them and respond to those who have answered your OP directly.
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