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In The Light Of Wednesdays Brexit Outcome
aren't all these people just wasting their time.
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yes they are wasting their time. I can't help wondering, had the result been 52:48 to remain, whether there would be hoards of people marching down Whitehall demanding the electorate and/or the government have a rethink. I think not somehow. I imagine we would just have soldiered on as if nothing had happened and Mr Cameron would have been in Brussels...
10:41 Sun 26th Mar 2017
Good grief- Naomi first, yes I am an actress, I used to be Sharingan and am Nox's daughter- I have never revealed my real name on here- do you think I'm mad- who in their right mind would do that here with the greatest respect- so no you wouldn't have heard of me because you have no idea what my name is.
NJ- It's got nothing whatsoever to do with EU subsidies- who said it had? With the greatest respect the inner working of the industry is well beyond any statistics available at the moment, as it's a very touchy feely business to be in. It has to do with fear in the industry and uncertainty. Already we have seen several major productions and companies who are choosing not to make plans to film or hire within the UK for forthcoming projects ( bearing in mind these projects are planned sometimes 6-8 years in advance) because they fear that the complexities of Brexit will make it untenable for them to do so. And the money is following it. Eastern Europe is having a field day of locations booking and their film industries which at the moment are fledging nicely anyway will flourish. By the time anyone really does know exactly how this affects everyone ( because come on Therasa May hasn't got any sort of plan whatsoever so how can we second guess her?) it will all be too late. I'm in the happy position of being able to live in Europe anyway but plenty of English actors, Directors, Producers etc might not be able to and it is putting off companies 'pencilling' them in for projects in favour of EU residents who won't be any bother. It's very simple to understand, you can't expect companies who have to plan sometimes nearly a decade ahead to pick the little rock that has spat it's dummy out and doesn't want to play with the rest of Europe anymore in preference to Europe itself. It's simply hassle vs no hassle- and in anything people always choose no hassle.
and Samjenko- I think it's pretty safe to say you'll never watch anything I'm in- Jeremy Kyle isn't my thing ;-)
NJ- It's got nothing whatsoever to do with EU subsidies- who said it had? With the greatest respect the inner working of the industry is well beyond any statistics available at the moment, as it's a very touchy feely business to be in. It has to do with fear in the industry and uncertainty. Already we have seen several major productions and companies who are choosing not to make plans to film or hire within the UK for forthcoming projects ( bearing in mind these projects are planned sometimes 6-8 years in advance) because they fear that the complexities of Brexit will make it untenable for them to do so. And the money is following it. Eastern Europe is having a field day of locations booking and their film industries which at the moment are fledging nicely anyway will flourish. By the time anyone really does know exactly how this affects everyone ( because come on Therasa May hasn't got any sort of plan whatsoever so how can we second guess her?) it will all be too late. I'm in the happy position of being able to live in Europe anyway but plenty of English actors, Directors, Producers etc might not be able to and it is putting off companies 'pencilling' them in for projects in favour of EU residents who won't be any bother. It's very simple to understand, you can't expect companies who have to plan sometimes nearly a decade ahead to pick the little rock that has spat it's dummy out and doesn't want to play with the rest of Europe anymore in preference to Europe itself. It's simply hassle vs no hassle- and in anything people always choose no hassle.
and Samjenko- I think it's pretty safe to say you'll never watch anything I'm in- Jeremy Kyle isn't my thing ;-)
> Theresa May hasn't got any sort of plan whatsoever so how can we second guess her?
Allow me to second guess her. The "no deal is better than a bad deal" is simply a statement softening us up for no deal, since whatever is offered as an alternative by the EU will be classified as a "bad deal". So, after much teeth-gnashing, hand-wringing and deliberation, we will end up with "no deal". That's what I'm planning for, anyway.
Allow me to second guess her. The "no deal is better than a bad deal" is simply a statement softening us up for no deal, since whatever is offered as an alternative by the EU will be classified as a "bad deal". So, after much teeth-gnashing, hand-wringing and deliberation, we will end up with "no deal". That's what I'm planning for, anyway.
“It's very simple to understand, you can't expect companies who have to plan sometimes nearly a decade ahead to pick the little rock that has spat it's dummy out and doesn't want to play with the rest of Europe anymore in preference to Europe itself.”
Indeed. But we must all expect to make a few little sacrifices for the greater good. And leaving the EU will certainly be for the greater good.
“So, after much teeth-gnashing, hand-wringing and deliberation, we will end up with "no deal". That's what I'm planning for, anyway.”
I do hope you’re right, Ellipsis. Any “deal” which is acceptable to the EU is almost certain to be to the UK’s detriment. A complete break is what is needed and the UK can revert to being a normal country (i.e like one that is not in the EU and never has been).
Indeed. But we must all expect to make a few little sacrifices for the greater good. And leaving the EU will certainly be for the greater good.
“So, after much teeth-gnashing, hand-wringing and deliberation, we will end up with "no deal". That's what I'm planning for, anyway.”
I do hope you’re right, Ellipsis. Any “deal” which is acceptable to the EU is almost certain to be to the UK’s detriment. A complete break is what is needed and the UK can revert to being a normal country (i.e like one that is not in the EU and never has been).
> Any “deal” which is acceptable to the EU is almost certain to be to the UK’s detriment.
Deal: an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit, especially in a business or political context.
Therefore, no deal: when no agreement is entered into by two or more parties, especially in a business or political context, as mutual benefit cannot be agreed.
Deal: an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit, especially in a business or political context.
Therefore, no deal: when no agreement is entered into by two or more parties, especially in a business or political context, as mutual benefit cannot be agreed.
The government will come back with a deal, Ellipsis. They will then present that deal to Parliament to vote on.
No-one knows what that deal will look like yet. However, it's, dare I suggest your friends, the remainers who are already threatening to vote against it. Just yesterday Kier Starmer said no deal is better than a bad deal.
I'd prefer no deal myself as there'd be no question of us continuing to prop the EU up for several years.
Anyway, I'll be mildly surprised if there is an EU in 2 years time.
No-one knows what that deal will look like yet. However, it's, dare I suggest your friends, the remainers who are already threatening to vote against it. Just yesterday Kier Starmer said no deal is better than a bad deal.
I'd prefer no deal myself as there'd be no question of us continuing to prop the EU up for several years.
Anyway, I'll be mildly surprised if there is an EU in 2 years time.
Yes that's certainly the normal definition of a deal. But when dealing with the EU normal rules do not apply.
The danger is that in trying to accommodate all the various needs of the various groups who insist they cannot survive outside the EU the government will arrive at an entirely unsatisfactory arrangement which will not meet the overall aim (i.e. to rid ourselves of the pernicious influence of that wretched organisation).
The danger is that in trying to accommodate all the various needs of the various groups who insist they cannot survive outside the EU the government will arrive at an entirely unsatisfactory arrangement which will not meet the overall aim (i.e. to rid ourselves of the pernicious influence of that wretched organisation).
On the subject of experts being wrong, for our betters it may not mean exactly the same as it does to us...
Sir Mortimer Wheeler, the pre-eminent archaeologist of his day (at least on the telly) had pronounced on some Roman gate or other he dug up in York in the 1930's. His findings were subsequently found to be totally incorrect during another dig decades later, but in a BBC tv interview he refused to acknowledge this, saying no, I was correct at the time, given the then state of knowledge - and I was right for 30 years!
Sir Mortimer Wheeler, the pre-eminent archaeologist of his day (at least on the telly) had pronounced on some Roman gate or other he dug up in York in the 1930's. His findings were subsequently found to be totally incorrect during another dig decades later, but in a BBC tv interview he refused to acknowledge this, saying no, I was correct at the time, given the then state of knowledge - and I was right for 30 years!
> The danger is that in trying to accommodate all the various needs of the various groups who insist they cannot survive outside the EU the government will arrive at an entirely unsatisfactory arrangement which will not meet the overall aim (i.e. to rid ourselves of the pernicious influence of that wretched organisation).
This is where life gets complicated. If such groups exist, then you yourself are simply a member of another group that wants a different "arrangement" to those other groups. And at least one group, if not all groups, is bound to be unhappy with the outcome, since the groups don't all agree with what the outcome should be (which is why they're groups in the first place - the different desired outcomes defines them).
Luckily for you, NJ, I think your views happen to roughly coincide with those of the group that is in the box seat. As for everybody else - tough.
This is where life gets complicated. If such groups exist, then you yourself are simply a member of another group that wants a different "arrangement" to those other groups. And at least one group, if not all groups, is bound to be unhappy with the outcome, since the groups don't all agree with what the outcome should be (which is why they're groups in the first place - the different desired outcomes defines them).
Luckily for you, NJ, I think your views happen to roughly coincide with those of the group that is in the box seat. As for everybody else - tough.
We had the referendum, we are starting the procedure to return to a free Britain which I remember very well . To all those of you who do not like it, hard luck get used to it. if you are adamant that you cannot live without belonging to the EU, jump on a ferry or a train through the channel tunnel & get yourselves settled amongst 'em quickly before there is no room left on the sinking ( EU) ship.
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