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In The Light Of Wednesdays Brexit Outcome
aren't all these people just wasting their time.
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yes they are wasting their time. I can't help wondering, had the result been 52:48 to remain, whether there would be hoards of people marching down Whitehall demanding the electorate and/or the government have a rethink. I think not somehow. I imagine we would just have soldiered on as if nothing had happened and Mr Cameron would have been in Brussels...
10:41 Sun 26th Mar 2017
The nitty gritty of BRexit is not really all that relevant - if you look at the areas of who voted what you'll see that basically the haves voted in and the have nots voted out.
Cameron presented a once in a lifetime opportunity to give the establishment including politicians of both stripes a good kick in the nuts.
I'm sure some Remainer pundits are correct to say that many BRexiteers didn't know what they were voting for, but more to the point they didn't care either - they voted against the status quo out of sheer bloody mindedness and frustration.
Cameron presented a once in a lifetime opportunity to give the establishment including politicians of both stripes a good kick in the nuts.
I'm sure some Remainer pundits are correct to say that many BRexiteers didn't know what they were voting for, but more to the point they didn't care either - they voted against the status quo out of sheer bloody mindedness and frustration.
I'm disappointed that some think a vote for either side is determined necessarily by self-interest.
I'm a fairly old Brexiter who thought (as a classical conservative) that the future of my wife's children and grandchildren (I'm childless myself) would be better rather than less well served by regaining our status as a sovereign state.
I'm a fairly old Brexiter who thought (as a classical conservative) that the future of my wife's children and grandchildren (I'm childless myself) would be better rather than less well served by regaining our status as a sovereign state.
Kvalidir ... can you, as one of the brightest, the youngest on AB tell me what the hierarchy of the EU have done/said to woo the vote away from Brexit voters?
The older ABers of the 'remain' variety have not given me an answer despite my constant requests.
All I heard from them were threats before the referendum and threats after the referendum ... in the end it was those threats that convinced me how I should vote.
The older ABers of the 'remain' variety have not given me an answer despite my constant requests.
All I heard from them were threats before the referendum and threats after the referendum ... in the end it was those threats that convinced me how I should vote.
To answer Talbot, I don't think they did enough, and as you said historically the Brits hate being warned or threatened, couple that with good old blighty types lying about spending more on the NHS if we leave ( rather than dismantling it altogether as they are obviously planning to) lots of people were swayed to vote against their own best interests. I think the main thing that concerned me was that there was a referendum at all. none of us, not you, not I not anyone on this site is truly equipped to make a sensible objective determination about staying or leaving, we lack the expertise and invariably fall back to anecdotes and how it will us ourselves and those close to us, or how it affects our own individual ideals. the industry in which I work will be decimated by Brexit and we are already seeing the effects of that within that industry, we knew that so you won't get many of 'my type' who are Bexiteers, because we are all selfish, however aside from that I really do lament the idea that we wish to be so insular, so localised.
"old blighty types lying about spending more on the NHS" - read what was actually written on the bus, no where did anyone say £350m would be spend on thne NHS, it said we'd have that amount spare to spend how we like including the NHS, still don't let the truth get in the way of a rant eh!
"Brits hate being warned or threatened" - you are correct there, so blame your buddies for project fear.
"Brits hate being warned or threatened" - you are correct there, so blame your buddies for project fear.
you've not said what industry you're in, kvalidir, so I cannot know how you believe it will end up being decimated. the industry I work in is regulated (in the main) by EU directives that have been enacted into UK law - usually by creating a regulation of two under an existing piece of legislation (eg, the health & safety at work act is UK legislation, but it supports many statutory instruments borne of EU directives). will these all be torn up? unlikely; they're good pieces of law and if we want to continue trading in Europe, we'll need to maintain equivalent standards, so why spend hours (and millions) re-inventing wheels (in my case an accurate description).
“none of us, not you, not I not anyone on this site is truly equipped to make a sensible objective determination about staying or leaving…”
You’re over-egging the pudding, kavalidir..
Nobody in the UK – including all the politicians, all their “expert” advisors, all the economists, bankers and analysts – are in such a position. They can give a reasoned assessment but that is all. “Experts” are notoriously bad at getting things wrong but they are probably no worse than any other group. It’s just that they are foolish enough to have their pontifications and predictions published for all to see. Many people who voted to leave (me included) did not do so because they expect any magical mixture of funds and Utopian lifestyle to follow our leaving. I don’t expect to see any significant financial gain (or loss) to follow in the short to medium term. I was certainly not among those whom you rather disparagingly refer to as “not very bright” who, so you say, were fooled into believing the NHS would be £350m a day better off.
I took my decision because I believe the nation’s sovereignty and integrity are more important than money. If, as you suggest (though I considerably doubt) that many of the country’s “bright young things” decamp to Europe that is their privilege. When they consider their move they may like to wonder why it is that almost every nation in the Eurozone (bar Germany) is suffering severe financial hardship and why unemployment among the young in some of those nations is around 50%. They may also like to consider what the EU will look like in ten years time (if it exists at all).
Just out of interest, what industry are you in that is already seeing the beginnings of decimation as a result of Brexit? Despite my inward looking, right wing, Nationalistic perceived ignorance I have quite a few facts and figures at my fingertips and I my be able to help you determine whether what you believe is actually true or if you have simply fallen for some propaganda put about within your industry.
You’re over-egging the pudding, kavalidir..
Nobody in the UK – including all the politicians, all their “expert” advisors, all the economists, bankers and analysts – are in such a position. They can give a reasoned assessment but that is all. “Experts” are notoriously bad at getting things wrong but they are probably no worse than any other group. It’s just that they are foolish enough to have their pontifications and predictions published for all to see. Many people who voted to leave (me included) did not do so because they expect any magical mixture of funds and Utopian lifestyle to follow our leaving. I don’t expect to see any significant financial gain (or loss) to follow in the short to medium term. I was certainly not among those whom you rather disparagingly refer to as “not very bright” who, so you say, were fooled into believing the NHS would be £350m a day better off.
I took my decision because I believe the nation’s sovereignty and integrity are more important than money. If, as you suggest (though I considerably doubt) that many of the country’s “bright young things” decamp to Europe that is their privilege. When they consider their move they may like to wonder why it is that almost every nation in the Eurozone (bar Germany) is suffering severe financial hardship and why unemployment among the young in some of those nations is around 50%. They may also like to consider what the EU will look like in ten years time (if it exists at all).
Just out of interest, what industry are you in that is already seeing the beginnings of decimation as a result of Brexit? Despite my inward looking, right wing, Nationalistic perceived ignorance I have quite a few facts and figures at my fingertips and I my be able to help you determine whether what you believe is actually true or if you have simply fallen for some propaganda put about within your industry.
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