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In The Light Of Wednesdays Brexit Outcome
aren't all these people just wasting their time.
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yes they are wasting their time. I can't help wondering, had the result been 52:48 to remain, whether there would be hoards of people marching down Whitehall demanding the electorate and/or the government have a rethink. I think not somehow. I imagine we would just have soldiered on as if nothing had happened and Mr Cameron would have been in Brussels...
10:41 Sun 26th Mar 2017
No need Naomi you've closed the door on yourselves, it just pains me that you have inflicted this mess on the country with such strange right wing nationalistic ideals belonging more in a 1970's sitcom and that don't represent the majority of people under 50 who will have to deal with tidying up the chaos you've created long after you're gone. But we'll deal with it, assuming it gets that far.
“Proper Brexit doesn't have any specific form because it's never been done before.”
Proper Brexit involves leaving the EU, plain and simple. All the rest – the deals, the negotiations, the terms – answers to all the questions you ask, must not be allowed to jeopardise our complete and utter disassociation from the Union. Because it has not been done before does not mean we should not know how to do it.
“I can see that the EU may start offering rights and EU citizenship to Britons after Brexit”
Rights, maybe. Citizenship, no, because there is no such thing as EU citizenship. All the 500m citizens are citizens of the member states, not of the EU. Euromaniacs like people to think they are "EU citizens". It gives them a feeling of importance. Unfortunately many people believe this contention to be true.
"it just pains me that you have inflicted this mess on the country with such strange right wing nationalistic ideals belonging more in a 1970's sitcom"
The ideals may seem strange to you but I would dispute that they are "right wing" or "nationalistic". Far more countries exist outside blocs such as the EU than exist within one. In fact, I do not know of any amalgamations of nations that are anything like the EU. I cannot imagine any normal nation agreeing to see vast sums of its taxpayers’ money being transferred to an unelected group of mainly foreign politicians over whom they have no control. Nor can I imagine any normal nation allowing legislation to be promoted by a similar group, especially when that legislation trumps domestic law.
You mention how young people may view “Brexit” in the future. Only time will tell. But I believe the scenario you describe is unlikely (especially following the inevitable break up of the EU in its current form). Instead I believe that not only will they be grateful for the majority of those who voted voting to leave but they will ask themselves how on earth the UK allowed its politicians to sign away democratic control which should be in their hands to a bunch of unelected foreign bureaucrats.
Proper Brexit involves leaving the EU, plain and simple. All the rest – the deals, the negotiations, the terms – answers to all the questions you ask, must not be allowed to jeopardise our complete and utter disassociation from the Union. Because it has not been done before does not mean we should not know how to do it.
“I can see that the EU may start offering rights and EU citizenship to Britons after Brexit”
Rights, maybe. Citizenship, no, because there is no such thing as EU citizenship. All the 500m citizens are citizens of the member states, not of the EU. Euromaniacs like people to think they are "EU citizens". It gives them a feeling of importance. Unfortunately many people believe this contention to be true.
"it just pains me that you have inflicted this mess on the country with such strange right wing nationalistic ideals belonging more in a 1970's sitcom"
The ideals may seem strange to you but I would dispute that they are "right wing" or "nationalistic". Far more countries exist outside blocs such as the EU than exist within one. In fact, I do not know of any amalgamations of nations that are anything like the EU. I cannot imagine any normal nation agreeing to see vast sums of its taxpayers’ money being transferred to an unelected group of mainly foreign politicians over whom they have no control. Nor can I imagine any normal nation allowing legislation to be promoted by a similar group, especially when that legislation trumps domestic law.
You mention how young people may view “Brexit” in the future. Only time will tell. But I believe the scenario you describe is unlikely (especially following the inevitable break up of the EU in its current form). Instead I believe that not only will they be grateful for the majority of those who voted voting to leave but they will ask themselves how on earth the UK allowed its politicians to sign away democratic control which should be in their hands to a bunch of unelected foreign bureaucrats.
Yes it does pain me Naomi as, aside from the right wingers / nationalists / give us our country back brigade which the majority on here appear to represent, the not very bright were mislead into voting that way by the simplistic promise that the UK would have £350m per week to spend- on important things like the health service. Anyone with a brain knew that was an outright lie, but sadly a great deal of the people who voted for Brexit seem to be lacking one. Yes I will be leaving should Brexit take place to an EU country where I already have a right of residence, my remark related to my generation having to deal with tidying up your mess, and we will. Hopefully it won't come to us actually leaving, I would be really surprised if we actually do because lets be honest your Brexit leaders are about as honourable as the average turncoat is and Boris Johnson couldn't run away fast enough from the disaster he'd created with his idiotic antics, so they will continue to act in their own best interests whatever that may be. I bet if you had a second referendum now it would show the British people were unanimously in favour of staying in Europe by a very large majority indeed and I bet you wouldn't be so pro democracy then.
kvalidir - I, too, wish you well. I don't know your background of course, but, much though I loved living in France and all my French friends - and I did - my roots and comfort were always in Yorkshire. To permanently exile yourself is a big step. Maybe you have dual nationality, history, family and language. I hope so and I wish you well should you move.
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