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would leaving the EU with no trade deal be an acceptable price to pay to retain sovereignty of Gibraltar? or is it time for the UK to let go of this colonial age anachronism?
would leaving the EU with no trade deal be an acceptable price to pay to retain sovereignty of Gibraltar? or is it time for the UK to let go of this colonial age anachronism?
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Interestingly, the exit clause was brought about, and only just by a woman labour MP. 'It is a fitting quirk of history that the 264 words shaping Britain's divorce from the EU were brought to life by British representatives over the objections of federalist colleagues who warned of trouble ahead.
The now-infamous Article 50 triggered by Prime Minister Theresa May came about as part of a grand convention, undertaken between 2002 and 2003, to write an overarching constitution for the EU as it prepared to enlarge deep into eastern Europe.
Looking back today, delegates to the convention recall the rancour that surrounded the very idea of an "exit clause", which was unprecedented in EU law.
"Most people thought the notion that you might ever want to leave was an utter insult," said British lawmaker Gisela Stuart, who was part of the convention's 13-strong executive "praesidium".
The Labour MP fought hard for the exit clause at the convention, noting that it was touch and go whether it would be retained when delegates held their final negotiating session in July 2003.
The convention ended, to the sounds of champagne corks popping and Beethoven's "Ode to Joy", with the clause intact.
Stuart did not share in the joy.
She went on to take a starring role in the pro-Brexit campaign that culminated in last year's referendum decision by voters to make Britain the first country to take advantage of Article 50.
Her revulsion at the EU grew out of what she felt was the elitist spirit of the convention, but was fuelled particularly by later events.
The EU's enlargement did take place, in 2004, but the proposed constitution was then thrown out by French and Dutch voters in referendums'.
The now-infamous Article 50 triggered by Prime Minister Theresa May came about as part of a grand convention, undertaken between 2002 and 2003, to write an overarching constitution for the EU as it prepared to enlarge deep into eastern Europe.
Looking back today, delegates to the convention recall the rancour that surrounded the very idea of an "exit clause", which was unprecedented in EU law.
"Most people thought the notion that you might ever want to leave was an utter insult," said British lawmaker Gisela Stuart, who was part of the convention's 13-strong executive "praesidium".
The Labour MP fought hard for the exit clause at the convention, noting that it was touch and go whether it would be retained when delegates held their final negotiating session in July 2003.
The convention ended, to the sounds of champagne corks popping and Beethoven's "Ode to Joy", with the clause intact.
Stuart did not share in the joy.
She went on to take a starring role in the pro-Brexit campaign that culminated in last year's referendum decision by voters to make Britain the first country to take advantage of Article 50.
Her revulsion at the EU grew out of what she felt was the elitist spirit of the convention, but was fuelled particularly by later events.
The EU's enlargement did take place, in 2004, but the proposed constitution was then thrown out by French and Dutch voters in referendums'.
It is never time to be submissive to envious bullies. We could never hold our head high again.
Anyway, why are you suggesting that it is we who must consider paying the price of no agreement for standing up for what's right, instead of asking about the cost to the EU because they want to steal, or more accurately abet one of their members stealing, what isn't theirs ? Why the emphasis on us not them ?
Anyway, why are you suggesting that it is we who must consider paying the price of no agreement for standing up for what's right, instead of asking about the cost to the EU because they want to steal, or more accurately abet one of their members stealing, what isn't theirs ? Why the emphasis on us not them ?
I fear tweeting would not really be the right medium for NJ :-)
It would need to be a MUCH larger bird. A couple of those posts would probably bring their servers down.
It is not hard to see the problem posed by Gibraltar's position here. Reliant on EU trade and the physical link to La Linea. But keen to keep their pelican crossings and red post boxes.
Unless you're the Prime Minister it would seem.
It would need to be a MUCH larger bird. A couple of those posts would probably bring their servers down.
It is not hard to see the problem posed by Gibraltar's position here. Reliant on EU trade and the physical link to La Linea. But keen to keep their pelican crossings and red post boxes.
Unless you're the Prime Minister it would seem.
If we let Gibraltar go then the Falklands are in play. It's probably the only Brexit issue that all UK political parties will agree on as they would suffer electorally otherwise. So May is safe in redlining it.
Could be that the EU is just setting it up so that they can appear sweet and reasonable when they abandon it.
And then, of course, ask us to be sweet and reasonable on something else!
Could be that the EU is just setting it up so that they can appear sweet and reasonable when they abandon it.
And then, of course, ask us to be sweet and reasonable on something else!
Agree with foxspur. Gib. is THE sticking point and Spain is being mischievous (to say the least). We don't want a war, we want a civilised divorce. The EU is not being civilised in return for a reasonable request. This should tell us all we need to know about the mindset and make-up of the EU. Would we voluntarily join such a nasty, vindictive shower? No, we wouldn't. Get clear at any cost.
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